Is the bible the word of God or men?

Joseph, Simply because a flood or floods occured; or that you can date the scriptures; does not indicate anything contained in the Bible in reference to YHWH to be true. The claim of David writing Psalms may be true although that does not prove that Moses existed or that YHWH is a true God.Edited by tthzr3, : err

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Joseph, Well the issue is really a matter of determining if the Bible is folk tales or not. Take for example that the Torah has TWO creation stories in it. That still does not prove that Moses existed. Jesus also has impacted MANY people but there is not a shred of evidence that he actually existed. Keep in mind the Bible can't verify the Bible.

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Joseph, Please explain these indications to me if there is not two creation stories.The first indication is Genesis 1:31 because everything God created was complete after 6 days but in Genesis 2:4 LORD God created the heavens and earth in a day.The second indication is in Genesis 1:27 because God created male and female at the same time but according to Genesis 2:6-7 LORD God created male and then created female later(2:20).The third indication is the word God/Elohim is used in Genesis 1:1-31, 2:1-3 but in Genesis 2:4-25 LORD God/YHWH Elohim is used.The fourth indication is that the overall order of creation in Genesis 1:1-31, 2:1-3 is different than in Genesis 2:4-25.The fifth indication is that Genesis 1:1-31, 2:1-3 the creation seems to be more sophisticated than the creation in Genesis 2:4-25.The sixth indication is that in Genesis 1:1-31, 2:1-3 each thing created was considered good but in Genesis 2:20 it seems creation was a process of trial and error.The seventh indication is in Genesis 1:26 because there seems to be more than God creating but in Genesis 2:4-25 there is only LORD God creating.The eigth indication is Genesis 1:29 because all plants are available for eating but in Genesis 2:16-17 some plants are off limits to eat.The ninth indication is in Genesis 1:28 because humans subdue the earth but in Genesis 2:15 humans serve the earth.The tenth indication is Genesis 1:21-22 because the purpose for animals is not related to humans but in Genesis 2:18-19 the purpoose for animals is related to humans. So you accept the Bible simply because nobody can explain the void yet?

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Iamjoseph,You still have not offered any evidence that proves or even theorizes YHWH to be a true God.

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Joseph, Read below it represents YEHWEH makes mistakes.

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not a man to till the ground.

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Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

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Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

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Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

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Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

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Gen 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

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Gen 2:11 The name of the first [is] Pison: that [is] it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where [there is] gold;

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Gen 2:12 And the gold of that land [is] good: there [is] bdellium and the onyx stone.

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Gen 2:13 And the name of the second river [is] Gihon: the same [is] it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

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Gen 2:14 And the name of the third river [is] Hiddekel: that [is] it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river [is] Euphrates.

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Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

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Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

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Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

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Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

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Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.

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Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Oh and if you're going to make WAS up then don't even bother to debate with me.

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Joseph,We find the introduction to the second creation story in 2:4 and I thought man was created in the last chapter. LOL. Oh and you offer no evidence to your claim that 2:4-25 is a ZOOM-IN on the first creation story. Even if it were a ZOOM-IN on the creation story in GEN1 it would not make sense since they contradict each other. Now if the two creation stories flowed together I would agree with you.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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Joseph,I just realized you missed the mistake. The mistake is LORD God wanted to create a help meet for Adam. The issue is LORD God made animals and figured out that none of them were suitable for Adam. So LORD God THEN created female. READ THE SCRIPTURE!!!Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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Joseph, So, YHWH Elohim made a mistake? You fail to understand the TOE. The TOE is based on actual evidence not mythical creation via imagination. This is a "The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy" thread which takes many years of deliberation and understanding to realize.I am wondering when you're actually going to realize that you have not supplied any evidence for anything you have said. Oh, and those contradictions I mentioned earlier still stand. The two creation stories do not flow together.

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Joseph, You could come to the same conclusion by reading Genesis 1. You need to learn how to read. This is a very simple issue. The two stories do NOT flow together. Feel free to PNT however this issue is OFF THE THREAD TOPIC. You seem to want to support Genesis but that is not based on evidence because I have referenced evidence that refutes your claim.You obviously don't understand the TOE because the TOE stops here on planet earth. Who cares if the universe is finite because it is off topic. We're discussing philosophical issues with the Bible that you fail to accept.Edited by tthzr3, : errEdited by tthzr3, : errEdited by tthzr3, : err

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Joseph,What I was saying is if you read Genesis 1 you can come to the same conclusion that there are both male and female gender. You don't have to read Genesis 2 in order to determine that much. LOL. You really need to learn how to read and also try to remember what you said before. LOL.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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Joseph WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. LOL.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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Joseph, I am sorry but you are wrong. Read Below:So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

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Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
HENCE read the bold print. LOL. Your claim is refuted. However, I do expect some sort of WAS. I wonder what it will be?Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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Joseph, Every single response you have posted is junk. Not a single thing you have said stands with a shred of evidence. I have posted key verses that contradict each other and you have come up with some excuse as to why they contradict each other. You have not supplied any evidence for any of your claims. As for refuting the creation stories in Genesis that is simple. Learn actual Science. However, take that issue to another thread as it is OFF TOPIC.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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Joseph,Why do you accept the creation stories in the Torah when they have no shred of evidence to support them?

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Joseph, You have not offered a shred of evidence for your above claim.Edited by tthzr3, : No reason given.

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