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almeyda Inactive Member |
quote: Why would we trust the Koran over the Bible when the Koran copied so much from the Bible and simply changed it around and added more into it. Moreover it denied Christ as God which is the worst sin of all. Muhammad was born in 570A.D, such a long time after the men of the holy Bible were told to watch for those that will deny Christ. And of course the always popular argument. (Actually the most hated on this board). Jesus resurected from the dead. The religious founders of all other religions died and remained dead.
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Gary Inactive Member |
quote: Is there any evidence that Jesus was resurrected, outside of the Bible? Are there any firsthand accounts, written less than half a century after Jesus' death, that he even existed? Did any of the founders of other religions say they were coming back in the first place? Why should they be expected to return?
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General Nazort Inactive Member |
I think that the Bible is excellent proof for Jesus. Why do you say that it was not written by eye witnesses? It was! Matthew was an apostle, Mark was the recorder for Peter who was another apostle, and John was even one of Jesus' Inner three! That is plenty of eye witness testimony.
If these people made up stuff about Jesus, why would they be willing to die for it? People only die for their beliefs if they believe them. If these writers made up these beliefs, they would obviously know that they were false, even if others believed what they said. When the pressure and torture came, atleast one would have admitted they made this stuff up in order to stop the torture and escape death. Therefore, comparisons with Jones, HalBopp etc don't work. They work only with other followers of Jesus dying for their beliefs. Also, there were many eye-witnesses to his resurrection. 500 people saw him at one time - mass hallucination would not be possible for this. Doubting Thomas TOUCHED Jesus and felt the wounds in his hands and side. Did anyone TOUCH Elvis? And eat a meal with him? And have Elvis suddenly appear in a locked room? There are numerous other sightings of Jesus as well. If you say there are no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure about that?
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
You are using biblical stories to prove biblical stories. That is circular reasoning.
As for the authors of the gospels...Matt, Mark, Luke, and John are the traditional, but not necessarily the historic authors. Asgara "Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it" http://asgarasworld.bravepages.comhttp://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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almeyda Inactive Member |
This is why the Bible being truth will never be found by so many of you. Because the prophecys about Jesus that were all fullfilled and Jesus resurecting which was the reason behind christianity becoming the biggest religion will never be accepted because todays society of course see the prophecys as faked even though the people of that day werent stupid and did not like fake prophecys and fake prophets, and the resurection cannot be believed also because its only written in the Bible even though the enemies of Jesus acknowlegdged what he did. The doubting of Jesus only started in the 18th century through to today. But the fact is everything in the Bible did happen. What Jewish scholor would say that the Bible is not the true history of Israel? The scriptures were accepted because they came with such divine and inspired presence. Not because they were power hungry or whatever you people call religious people.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What Jewish scholor would say that the Bible is not the true history of Israel? Actually, today, most of them would say that. Almost every single event described in the Bible has failed when the archeological data comes in. Joshua conquered a whole bunch of towns that went there. Even the United Monarchy, the period of David and Solomon has not been evidenced by the findings over the last three decades. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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General Nazort Inactive Member |
Almost every single event described in the Bible has failed when the archeological data comes in. Umm.... where did you get this? Archeology has done nothing but PROVE the historical accuracy of the Bible.
Joshua conquered a whole bunch of towns that went there. Umm... the ruins of Jericho exists and has been examined many times, and the findings totally agree with Biblical accounts. Just because other towns have not been discovered yet don't mean they don't exist under the dirt somewhere.
Even the United Monarchy, the period of David and Solomon has not been evidenced by the findings over the last three decades. I quote from Archaeology and the Old Testament (wich has tons of other good material as well)
In the summer of 1993, an archaeologist made what has been labeled as a phenomenal and stunning discovery. Dr. Avraham Biran and his team were excavating a site labeled Tell Dan, located in northern Galilee at the foot of Mt. Hermon. Evidence indicates that this is the site of the Old Testament land of Dan. The team had discovered an impressive royal plaza. As they were clearing the debris, they discovered in the ruins the remains of a black basalt stele, or stone slab, containing Aramaic inscriptions. The stele contained thirteen lines of writing but none of the sentences were complete. Some of the lines contained only three letters while the widest contained fourteen. The letters that remained were clearly engraved and easy to read. Two of the lines included the phrases "The King of Israel" and "House of David." Archeology has done nothing but prove the accuracy of the Bible. If you say there are no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure about that?
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General Nazort Inactive Member |
You are using biblical stories to prove biblical stories. That is circular reasoning. Look. You want proof that Jesus existed, so I give you the Bible. The Bible says Jesus existed. Now it is YOUR job to show me why the Bible is wrong or should not be considered accurate. Shoot away. I'm waiting. If you say there are no absolutes, I ask you, are you absolutely sure about that?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, to talk about the Jerico and Ai Myth come on over to This thread.
So far almost none of the events in the Bible have been proven. There is no evidence that the Exodus as described in the Bible ever happened. There is lots of evidence that the Flood never happened. The Bible is a map. That's all. A map. It is a guide and one of the sources provided to lead us towards the answers to the Why. But it is not a science book. It is not a history book.
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