Please give me so-called "proof" of Jesus or God.

You would try to use a charlatan like Paul as a proof of Jesus?That is no better than using Melville to prove that mean white whales exist.And there is still much debate as to whether there really was a HJ. The paltry evidence (like Josephus and Tacitus) has been thoroughly refuted.Verzem

Yeah, there indeed is paltry little evidence for a man who allegedly did such great things. And what puny evidence there is is so highly questionable that it more probably is negative evidence, e.g., Josephus and its obvious interpolations. A truly lame attempt to manufacture evidence after the fact.Verzem

SkepticToAll,The first thing I need to ask is who you are aiming your comments at when you say there are ignorant people in here, and what do you think they/we are ignorant about?I thiink it might be safe to say that the only belief that the people I believe you are addressing your post to have is that ultimately science will give us most of the answers we seek.I think it is also fairly safe to say that we have no problem in believing that a bunch of guys named Yeshua lived and died in that area back in the first century CE. That any of them were any more special or unique than any other people is something we won't embrace.Like sidelined, I challenge you to substantiate your claim that Jesus (with all that is claimed about him) is a historical FACT.Verzem