Please give me so-called "proof" of Jesus or God.

Hi Lam, Jesus was mentioned in various non source documents such as Tacitus and Erasmus. The shroud of Turin although partially debunked still can not be said not to be the acutal shroud. The spear that was said to pierce his side although remanufactured later still contains wood and bits of metal from the time of his life. At a time of brutal rule from Rome there were many many so called revolutionarys such as Jesus, his story caught on and spred throughout the region and eventually became the dominating belief in Europe for thousands of years. It stands to reason he must of been an extrodinary person.
There seems to be more evidence for Jesus than Socrates. I am aware that some of the non source mention of Jesus was redacted or added. But the writings of Mark (the earliest writings) does mention Jesus, albeit many years post his death. But is all this evidence? That depends on ones interpretation and ones standards of what constitutes evidence. I personally believe that this man did live and die most likely how was described. Was he God? Is the better question.

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

Hi Chioptera, Nice article but inconclusive...Ok I admit its sketchy but it still is an artifact que no? Lam wants evidence damnit!!

Hi Mamanthus, I have no evidence to offer other than what has been offered. If the writings of Mark and various debated non-source authors, the Christian movement throughout the world are not enough then what can be said? Jesus could be fiction, but evidence suggest he could of lived. It would be nice to have more non-source evidence such as eyewitness accounts but I feel that even eye witness accounts do not hold up 100%. A body or DNA sample with a maternal and paternal comparitive samples would perhaps mildly give thought for pause? But mankind is left with a mystery which the Holy Roman Catholic church has conceded to call it. Good to see something has caught your interest.

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

As always Percy I learn something from your post. The Jesus seminar was a bitter pill for me to swallow but I recommend anyone who wants to know about the historocity of the man named Jesus should be more than willing to hear another point of view. If he was in fact a historical myth his message and what he represented are enduring.