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Author Topic:   Please give me so-called "proof" of Jesus or God.
PeriferaliiFocust
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Message 44 of 320 (120157)
06-29-2004 9:23 PM


Well Jesus mere existence is as likely as any other ancient person we know of. Of coarse records can be falsified but there's no reason to specifically pick on Jesus. It can at least be said he was a revolutionary and genius leader. That he was the son of God cannot be prooven. That he rose three days after death, or any other miracle cannot be prooven (though i did watch this discovery channel special about a special type of radiation found in the shroud of turnin). For those things you must choose to believe.

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PeriferaliiFocust
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Message 46 of 320 (120165)
06-29-2004 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by custard
06-29-2004 4:08 PM


Ditto to Custard. There are several facts about his life that most likely happened, if not there is just as much chance of fallacy in any other record. Also i think its only logical that there must have been a strong witness base to justify all the revolutions in civilization following Jesus life. I don't think the Christian church would have evolved if his simple existence was questionable or possibly fictional. It is possible, and highly likely that given the revolutionary moral principles he introduced(often portrayed through parables) that stories of him having miraclous powers would be embellished. For this part of the Jesus story there is no proof either way.
While i am annoyed by ignorant 'christians' i am nearly equally annoyed by people accuse these christians of being so ignorant, use hatred to justify complete disreguard of original christian principles. Don't take crack pots to represent christ, remember 'Christian' actually means to follow christ, or be christ like. If you read the stories (whether completely true or not they are all we have), I don't think you will find anything [significantly] disagreable about his conduct. But then there come his followers, those who worship him for being so incredible as a leader and teacher, and call themselves christian without fully (often even partially) understanding the original principles he taught. Therefore you get a vast majority of people who call themselves christians, but in reality are revereted to heathen mentality.
Consider the systematic oppresion perpetrated by the 'christian' church, with numerous executions upon those who denied christ. If you use your brain you will realize christ would never approve of most of the policys of the christians, even up into modern day, with only few exceptions of people who have figured out how to truly follow christ.
In the case that you take the word Christian to it's literal meaning, there is no reason for you to hate christians. Also you will see many people who are more christ like, therefore more christian, yet do not believe in christ, then those who call themselves christians. Athiests can be christians. Your christianity depends on your lifestyle, not what you call yourself.
All you "christians", maybe you should keep in mind if what you are doing here debating has anything to do with following christian principles.
All you christian-haters, stop accepting idiots as representitives of a way of life they have no actual understanding of.

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