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Author Topic:   Please give me so-called "proof" of Jesus or God.
Mike_King
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Message 135 of 320 (122204)
07-05-2004 6:30 PM


You are right, it is hard to prove evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, but the evidence lies in the changed lives of the people around Jesus at that time. The diciples were all for going back to their original work (IE fishing!) when Jesus appeared to them. Mass hallucination? Unlikely as that has never happened. The reusult? 12 guys who dropped everything to spread the news of Jesus' resurrection even to the point of death. Their gain? Nothing in a wordly sense..I let you work out the rest!

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Mike_King
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Message 137 of 320 (122214)
07-05-2004 7:11 PM


For what ends? What possible advantage did they have to gain if they had to 'make up beliefs'?

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Mike_King
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Message 148 of 320 (122470)
07-06-2004 6:05 PM


Hi Lam,
I love chess too, but sometimes offense is the best defense.
"But where is the evidence for the changed lives? That is all in the same book. And lives are changed to this very day by actions and beliefs that are far short of resurrection.
lfen "
Ifen,
My Step-father is such evidence of a changed life because of Jesus. He went from a drug addict to being in prison and thanks to a Christian run drug rehabilitation centre in Southern England found faith in Jesus and is now a completely new person. My mother was healed instantly of a chronic illness back in 1986. Nothing tangable about that, but I could see the difference. The thing with christianity is not simply about 'belief' but a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. Its not about believing the Earth is 6,000 years old or anything like that, its a simple trust in God. The 'evidence' for me is the fruit of that relationship and for me God's promises have been true and my own experience of him is real. Of course there is plenty of historical evidence and having seen some of the replies to that earlier in this thread have been rubbished out of context. For example, Caesar's Gallic wars' has only 9 copies of the original, but the new testament has 5,000 plus, but some of you seem more prepared to hold more weight to something like Caesar's Gallic wars' than to any evidence to what happened in New Testament times. Why would Saul (later Paul) go from being a persecutor of the early church (where he had high standing from both Jewish and Roman authoriites) to actually joining it, being thrown in prison for it and ultimately cost him his freedom to his death? What was in it for him, unless..he found it to be true?

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Mike_King
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Message 160 of 320 (123033)
07-08-2004 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by coffee_addict
07-08-2004 12:16 PM


Re: a little bit of interesting news Lam
quote:
Ok, let me make this straight. I don't hate all christians, since most of my family are christians. I hate christianity and what it represents and I hate many christians. Does that answer your question?
Hi Lam,
What do you hate about Christianity?

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