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Meddle Member (Idle past 1299 days) Posts: 179 From: Scotland Joined: |
As for ID when it comes to filling in gaps, no one uses God as a filler, unless it used generically.
But then does 'a designer did it' add anything that is scientifically constructive? For example look at the bacterial flagellum as an often cited example of an IC system. Could you give IDs scientific explanation of the origins of this structure? In a quick general question, when do you think a designer stopped designing, allowing evolutionary processes to take over, and how did you conclude this?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What is the difference between God and some external designer?
Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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tesla Member (Idle past 1622 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
What is the difference between God and some external designer?
-jar that would depend on how you define God. let me propose that God is in effect: existence. this would not rule out that the origin of life on the planet couldn't have been from a hydrogen based life form from the planet boobaloob who was just curios what would happen if he took a crap on a planet that had the potential to support life. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5937 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
tesla
let me propose that God is in effect: existence. That merely redirects the problem tesla. Now you must define existence.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1622 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
EXACTLY
keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5937 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
tesla
And then you must explain in what effect existence can substitute for God
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tesla Member (Idle past 1622 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
it wouldn't be a "substitution" it would be a definition.
which is what drew me to this site, and is why i still await my "great debate". in the mean time: define "i am" Edited by tesla, : No reason given. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5937 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
tesla
it wouldn't be a "substitution" it would be a definition. But the term God has historically never been applied to mere existence but to the mystery "behind" existence. As such it has been subjugated to being a condition separate from existence. By stating that God is in effect defined as existence you are narrowing the focus down to phenomena and deciding that the supernatural aspect{ God's separation from existence} is not applicable. I am not sure that this will find acceptance in religious circles since it circumvents the established doctrine, and it is hardly science to assign a new name to existence by equating the term Godwith the same meaning since it adds no knowledge to our understanding.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1622 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
i can argue this, but it would mean initializing my "great debate"
what do you propose i do? should the great debate be initialized here instead? keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5937 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
tesal
Nah.I will wait until you finish the debate and they open up comment to the rest of us and we will go it form there.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1622 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Since there seems to be some uncertainty about how discussion should proceed from here, it's worth noting that this thread has been off-topic since very early on. See thread title.
--Percy
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subbie Member (Idle past 1284 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Spotted at the thread from antievolution.org dedicated to the movie:
Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4218 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
I'll say one thing about the individual who designed the poster, he has one hell of an imagination.
There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
The release date for the movie has been set back from February to April 18th.
Here's an interview of Ben Stein with Bill O'Reilly from last October 22:
Here's another with Glenn Beck:
--Percy
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