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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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SoC writes: Fake news Ah, the cry of the modern day dissembler ie liar. Actually what it is is media management. A little history According to the 1904 catechism published by Pope St Pius X in 1904, children who died without baptism go to limbo where they do not enjoy God but don’t suffer either. Because they have original sin, they do not deserve paradise, nor hell or purgatory. So Limbo. But
quote: The day before the commission announced its findings the Vatican briefed the world's media, saying that Limbo was effectively abolished. So you will find a consistent story in every newspaper around the globe with this sort of headline.
quote: I've already quoted from the actual findings of the commission that the Vatican PR machine briefed on so we now know that despite your protestations the RCC has now abolished limbo - because, it was always, according to them, only a 'theory' anyway.
quote: Doublespeak at its very best. I don't know who to believe, a pope, the Vatican, the Vatican's Commission and the world's media or you. Just joking, yes I do, it's not you.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1269 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
the church is the living body of Christ. to suggest that it can't "change" as some kind of gotcha, is ludicrous.
Christ became incarnate, that was a change. god became man. that was a change. he died for the sins of all of mankind, including divorcees, wow. that was a change. he rose again, that was a change. he will come to judge the living and the dead? that's a change. I guess this is why you'll always be eating at the kids table regarding roman Catholicism. you have no respect for the faith system you were raised in. call it crummy catechism, whatever, yet you're vaguely interested enough to follow us in the tabloids. you have no idea what roman Catholicism is. how it operates. give it up, man. it's pathetic. purgatory is where the unfinished souls go. Christ forgives all sin, I just repeat myself again. u can have your catholic clown show in here just know you're not legitimate. nothing you say has authority you gave up your birthright to be a talking head on EvC. congrats.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
SoC writes: the church is the living body of Christ. to suggest that it can't "change" as some kind of gotcha, is ludicrous. So not only can the Catholic Church change its mind, so can you! Apparently you now accept that everything I said had changed has been changed. Celibacy, Limbo, divorce and the rest. Well done.
you have no respect for the faith system you were raised in. You're on a roll now. And that was decades before Catholic priests raped children across the globe and bishops and the Vatican systematically covered it up. Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia
you have no idea what roman Catholicism is. Apparently I do. Equally apparently you do not. But you know, if you could actually support anything you say about this stuff instead of just saying it, you might stand a tiny chance of convincing somebody of something. But it doesn't look like you're going to. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Maybe I should have this conversation with you rather than Tangle. He thinks that we all make religion up anyway, so his input is irrelevant except that he does read the news and he will argue that if anyone has the authority to change dogmatic doctrine it would be the official head of that church rather than not. So I see his approach.
I too believe in the Catholic Church, but not specifically the Roman one. I believe in one Body of Believers. A believer by definition is one who is called out.We all know or think we know what the one true Church is. It is the one we are individually called to belong to in our heart that very day that we actually met Jesus Christ. And i've been to several churches. The best ones are highly relational...not in isolation or ritual with each other but in honesty with each other and corporately as the hands of Jesus for the community which they are called to serve. No man is an island. We dont "get saved" for an individual experience. We are called to become part of the universal Body of Christ throughout the earth for the sole purpose of serving others the way that He impresses our heart and conscience to serve. Politics is but a distraction in the grand scheme of things, and I am unsure at this point how Jesus, were He to return bodily..would think about human politics. Would politics even be relevant at the point where He was back on earth bodily? At any rate, we have to try and do our best first. It seems foreknown that humans will give it their best shot first. Were I God, I would insist that humans give it their best shot and at least try to make a better world first. I'm not coming back simply to make everyone comfortable. Of course some Saints are suffering now. And perhaps some of those dont yet know they are Saints. Edited by Phat, : No reason given.The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Tangle, to CSP writes: Humans can and do change their minds. Whats your point? Humans are part of either the Body of Christ or the body of the Antichrist by default. At the current time, many (including you) dont know which one they belong to but there is no third option. You can laugh it all off or ignore it all you want but the fact is you will either belong to one body or the other one. Try and do your best every day. Dont worry about religion. My only advice? Trust Jesus. Dont attempt to put Him out of your mind as if he is a fairy tale. So not only can the Catholic Church change its mind, so can you! Apparently you now accept that everything I said had changed has been changed. Celibacy, Limbo, divorce and the rest.The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: Humans can and do change their minds. Whats your point? Remember that the title of the thread is that Catholics are making it up? So that's case proven, they've admitted that they made up whole tranches of their belief system. Why would anyone believe that it wasn't all made up?
Humans are part of either the Body of Christ or the body of the Antichrist by default. At the current time, many (including you) dont know which one they belong to but there is no third option. Anyone can make shit up, now it's you.
You can laugh it all off or ignore it all you want but the fact is you will either belong to one body or the other one. Hahaha.
Try and do your best every day. Dont worry about religion. But of course, why would anyone do anything else?
My only advice? Trust Jesus. Dont attempt to put Him out of your mind as if he is a fairy tale. Don't be bloody rediculous.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
a Servant of Christ writes:
So post something to support your viewpoint. fake news"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Why would anyone believe that it wasn't all made up? Good question. Logical and otherwise rational people would likely think that way. The reason I differ is because I had some very profound experiences and encounters(at least in the realm of my perception) which caused me to believe otherwise.
Anyone can make shit up, now it's you. Except that I'm not making any of my experiences up.
Phat writes:
Try and do your best every day. Don't worry about religion.Tangle writes: Whereupon my parting advice was to trust Jesus and resist dismissing Him as a fairy tale, whereupon Tangle shot back:
But of course, why would anyone do anything else?Don't be bloody ridiculous. Which mystifies me. Are you afraid to trust the Spirit?Are you afraid for yourself that you would be going nuts or are you afraid of what others would think of you? The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.Calvin Coolidge "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. Anne Lamott I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Phat writes: Are you afraid to trust the Spirit? Why are you asking me that? There is no friggin' 'Spirit'. I don't even know what that means. You've been asked over and over 'what does that even mean?' You've never given a sane answer.
Are you afraid for yourself that you would be going nuts or are you afraid of what others would think of you? You're away in your own crazy bubble - what you believe I know is total garbage, pure fantasy and delusion. Why on earth would I want to have anything to do with that?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1269 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
descend into brutal madness. apparently the church is nothing to u but a juicy scandal. the laypeople that attend like myself deserve more respect than a tone deaf buffoon and his utterances.
i'm on my way to Mass right now. maybe you should check it out. if I read and believed everything written about the pontiff and the church like you do, I would stay away from it. however I am not a lemming. Edited by a servant of Christ, : No reason given.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9514 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
SoC writes: descend into brutal madness. apparently the church is nothing to u but a juicy scandal. I rejected the RCC as total garbage decades before the facts of the rape and cover up of thousands of children became general knowledge. "Juicy scandal" doesn't exactly do it justice does it?
the laypeople that attend like myself deserve more respect than a tone deaf buffoon and his utterances. My case is against the Catholic Church, not you. But as you bring it up, so far you haven't produced a single scrap of anything to support whatever argument you think you have, so I can't say I am finding you deserving of much respect. Yet.
i'm on my way to Mass right now. maybe you should check it out. if I read and believed everything written about the pontiff and the church like you do, I would stay away from it. I think that would be an excellent plan, you might start to learn a little about your religion's real policies.
however I am not a lemming. Right, just make sure that you stand, kneel, chant and grovel when Father tells you to. And if you've got any kids, don't let them out of your sight. You'll be telling me next that the bread and wine are REALLY changed into the body and blood of Christ. Really. Litererally.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8563 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7 |
laypeople that attend like myself deserve more respect than a tone deaf buffoon ... No you don't. But I give you a level of respect given a tone deaf buffoon with sever cognitive dysfunctions. You are to be pitied and cared for as a mentally deficient imbecile. To be kept from harming yourself and others in your delusions. To be kept warm and fed and excused from the responsibilities of an adult which you have shown you are unable to handle. Respect as an intellectual equal, however, can never be for your kind. It is hard, I'm sure, but you just have to accept the fact that, in this life, you are different ... special ... dumb as a stump.Factio Republicana delenda est.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1269 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
no respect.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1269 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
jesus cares about politics because he cares about prolife
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1269 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
a gem only a Antifa cherub could cognate
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