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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Even here in the backwoods of Saskatchewan we've been experimenting with carbon-capture for years. I just heard on the news recently that somebody is experimenting with sequestering captured carbon in concrete buildings. And so on. It was said on the radio and went by very fast. Somebody mentioned that there is now some kind of technology that can remove carbon from the atmosphere. You really need to get a better source of news.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
Are you unaware of the concept of government? They can tax anything. They can tax the sun and the wind. Rhode Island's gasoline and diesel excise tax is 35 cents per gallon. Fuel taxes in the United States - Wikipedia How will that be made up?"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Ignorance is bliss - but hard work is surprisingly satisfying too. jar writes:
It's also easier to maintain comfort (even if the process dooms the future) than it is to toughen up and do the hard work. It's easier to be unlearned than to learn."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
I just want to point out that coastal flooding effects everybody, not just people who live on the coast. Coastal flooding is a prediction.... I live at about 1800 feet but we depend on imports and exports, so the water may not be lapping on our doorsteps but it's flooding the seaports that everything we use and produce depend on. Whatever they have to do to survive the flooding, we have to help pay for. Fortunately (I guess), Canada only has a handful of major seaports, so we don't have to spread it too thin. Other nations may have to pick and choose which cities survive."I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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marc9000 writes:
Sweaters - wool Now, if you'll pick ANY ONE thing there, and show me (links would be nice) how it can be produced without fossil fuels, we can discuss it.Boats - wood Dresses - wool, cotton, linen Tool Boxes - wood Clothesline - hemp Curtains - cotton, linen Food Preservatives - salt, vinegar Shoes - leather Skis - wood Tool Racks - wood Yarn - wool That's more than one already, and i didn't even read the whole list. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
marc9000 writes:
charcoal <-- wood
It requires steel to cut wood. Can't get steel without fossil fuels. Takes tools, (plastic, steel) to shear sheep.
Flint.
Salt, vinegar, leather, the processing of them takes fossil fuels in several ways.
Nope. Nope. Nope. All of them were in use long before fossil fuels.
And all those things have to be transported by trucks, all currently powered by fossil fuels.
Feet - powered by broccoli. Have you heard of history at all? Or did that begin with fossil fuels?"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And that point is wrong. It happened when the Roman Empire collapsed, for one example.
I think that his point is that we the people will never regress in history and become Quakers simply to "save the planet". Paht writes:
Only if they can get fossil fuels. If most people accept alternative energy sources, fossil fuels won't be economically viable. There will always...ALWAYS be a selfish group of people (likely close to 30% or more) who will keep using fossil fuels to "fuel" their lifestyle. Imagine loving Zeppelins so much that you "can't" give them up."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
marc9000 writes:
And yet we're always trying to create more jobs.
We can't go back to primitive, labor intensive methods... marc9000 writes:
The current levels are not sustainable. ... and expect to keep up with current volumes of what is required in today's world."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Again, it comes down to doing what we CAN do. We can vote the Biblical Christians out of office, so they can't make it easier to blow up the earth. Blaming the Biblical Christians wont solve anything."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Religion is one of those demons.
When humans are under pressure and their lifestyles are threatened...as well as the livelihood of their children...then all sorts of demons will manifest. Phat writes:
It really does, though. Humans are social animals, descended from social animals for millions of years. We have empathy because it works. Survival knows no empathy."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Tanypteryx writes:
Around here, the environmentalists encourage people to attract butterflies (because we like butterflies) by letting plants like milkweeds grow. Meanwhile, the city government still considers milkweeds a "noxious weed" and if you don't kill them a city crew will come and do it for you and add the cost to your tax bill. After more than twenty years of fighting them, I finally gave up the house. Now I go around seeding milkweeds as much as I can. One of the more famous insects where we are seeing these effects is the Monarch butterfly...."I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
It has nothing to do with anything "pagan". Mother Gaia is just the human's inner voice, like the serpent in Genesis 3 was Eve's inner voice. It takes the form of "somebody" telling you a truth that you don't want to hear. It is not a separate entity. It could have been done with a soliloquy. Personally, I don't believe in that pagan stuff...."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
I never heard anything about Gaia or paganism at university.
The lecturer told us all about Gaia, a manifestation of paganism which is apparently something science students need to know about. Dredge writes:
Weird that you would think it's weird. Weird that you would believe it's true. Weird."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Dredge writes:
It's weird that you pick such trivia to respond to. There are plenty of posts with more substance that you could have replied to - if you had any substance. It's weird that you think it weird that I thought it was weird."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Dredge writes:
You're not thinking straight. If "global warming" were causing alarming rises in sea levels, two countries especially would be screaming blue bloody murder - the Netherlands and Bangladesh. But what do we hear from them? Sweet bugger-all. 1. The Netherlands have been dealing with sea levels for centuries. They're waaaaaay ahead of us in the game. Instead of waiting for them to whine about it you should be looking to them for solutions. 2. Bangladesh is a poor country. It can't afford to do anything about rising sea levels. All you're likely to hear from them is about more deaths. 3. I live more than a thousand miles from the ocean at an altitude of about 1800 feet. We grow a lot of wheat and canola around here and we have a small population so we export most of it. If the oceans rise by just a couple of feet, the port facilities in Vancouver will require a lot of rebuilding, which will cost billions. That will take a big bite out of our wheat and canola revenues.
Everybody ie affected, if not directly, then indirectly."I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!" -- Lucky Ned Pepper
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