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Taz
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Message 29 of 240 (404933)
06-10-2007 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Phat
06-10-2007 10:46 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
Phat, what I'm about to say could be seen as mean, but someone has to say it eventually.
Phat writes:
Taylor, allow me to give you my 2 cents worth since I have dealt with similar feelings as you have my entire life.
There's a difference between your feelings and his. He has decided to embrace his feelings while you've spent the better part of your life thinking it's a sin to be attracted to another person of the same sex. You've only changed your mind in this matter the last year or so, and even then you still feel it's somehow unnatural. So, please, spare us your christian 2 cents.
I believe that humans cannot help who they are attracted to, or how they feel sexually. That being said, I also believe that there is more to life than physical attraction.
Phat, you yourself have decided (whether consciously or unconsciously) to remain celebate because you've had homosexual feelings all your life and for as long as you could remember you'd always thought it was against god's will.
If you think abstaining from sex or denying your sexuality for the rest of your life will bring you closer to god, god bless you. But please spare us your preaching how sex will take you away from god and all of that.
Irregardless of what the Bible says, I don't honestly think that being attracted to another man is any worse than being attracted to a woman.
Forgive me for saying this, but if you would do a search for your very old posts, you will find that you once sounded like riverrat and buzsaw on this. I think you've gone a long way, but you still have a lot to learn about human sexuality, especially since you've decided to remain celebate.
Why you feel sex will take you away from god, I will continue to try to understand.
I don't think that men are meant to run off and get married, however...although I shall never judge anyone for doing so. I believe that sexuality is a deeper process than just biological attraction.
Then please, don't share you opinion, especially to someone that is in a transition state like the starter of the OP and is vulnerable emotionally. What you have done is a vile act. You've taken advantage of this young man's vulnerable moment in life and try to preach your message against sex.
First of all, don't let anyone tell you that your feelings are wrong.
Second, don't listen to any Christian who doesnt accept you for who you are.
Third, lets all pray for reconciliation with your Mother. She sounds like a sweet woman who is just confused.
No, his mother sounds like all the other bigot christians I've known all my life.
Fourth, don't allow your biological urges to dictate the types of relationships you have. Approach relationships cautiously and keep tight with Jesus as you love others. This applies to both men and women.
There you go with the preaching again.
We all know what you're trying to hint, that sex is somehow nasty and will take a person away from god. Please go after someone else to share your wonderful revelation. Targeting a young man that is in a transition state and is probably emotionally vulnerable to suggestion makes you look like every other christian bigot out there.
Again, I'm sorry for picking on you, but this young man doesn't need another idealistic opinion from someone that knows nothing about sex or human sexuality... or anything non-christian.
Let me summarize the positions of those who are against homosexuality. NJ is convinced that people can't really find happiness in homosexuality, therefore he's going to do his best to make sure that they don't find happiness in homosexuality. Buzsaw thinks it's an abomination as is stated in the OT. Riverrat thinks it's sin against god and nature and that he will never tolerate it if one of his children is gay. Phat is against it because attraction of any kind toward another person takes you away from god.
My advice is this. Whether it's moral or immoral depends on who's doing the talking. One thing is certain is that one's sexuality cannot be changed. I tried for a long time to become a homosexual. It never worked. If a straight guy like me who was more than willing to sleep with other guys and change my sexuality without any success, why should I expect a gay guy to be able to change his sexuality?
Just remember that it's harder being gay in this society because of people like riverrat, buzsaw, NJ, and perhaps Phat who are willing to do anything to make sure that gay people will find it hard to be themselves. It's been a tough road for many Americans to try to find acceptance in a society that is suppose to be the role model for human freedom for the pursuit of happiness, and as far as I can see it will be a tough long road ahead.
If you are willing to hang in there, you will one day find happiness in life. Don't give up! Just remember that if god is willing to throw you in hell for being who you are, then he is not the god you or I would want to worship.


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Taz
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Message 52 of 240 (405171)
06-11-2007 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by taylor_31
06-10-2007 11:59 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
Taylor writes:
Why did you try to be a homosexual? It can be a pretty crappy life at times, so I don't see why someone would put themselves through it unnecessarily. I'm sure there's a good reason, but I can't clearly see it.
You are right that it can be a pretty crappy life at times, and I used to be part of the cause for it.
I grew up being fed the christian fundamentalist views. The result of that was a person (aka my former self) filled with hate for those that were different. I thought I had it all figured out. My view at the time was basically this: I was one of the chosen ones to combat the homosexuals.
In the later parts of my college years, I began to have a crisis with my conscience. On the one hand, my god was telling me to hate. On the other, I was beginning to realize that gay people were people, too. Thinking it through, I just couldn't continue to hate like I did. In other words, you could say that my conscience finally overpowered the hatefilled bible.
So, for the longest time, all the hateful and hurtful things I said in the past haunted me. Remember that I had spent most of my life not viewing gay people as real people simply because of their supposed "sinful ways". This was when I had a sort of revelation. What if I become one of them? Would that allow me to understand homosexuality better? Would that help with the sense of guilt I was having at the time?
But I think the main reason why I wanted to be gay was because I still saw how many people hated gay people, and I contributed to that hate. So, I had this (apparently crazy) idea that I might as well stand by gay people and become a victim of my former self. As you know, it never worked. It may be possible for some people to change their sexuality, I don't know. What I do know is that it never worked in my case.
I recognize that I am only one man so I can't really do much to drastically change the situation. What I have to offer is this. If you want to make your life as enjoyable as possible, lay low for a while. At least lay low until you have a pair of wings and be able to fly on your own. Until then, you are at the mercy of your parents, which are christian bigots.
Now, you have to remember this. Religious bigots are worse than ordinary bigots. Ordinary bigots hate for irrational reasons, and most of them recognize that they are irrational reasons. Religious bigots, on the other hand, think they are justified to hate by their creator. The chances of you being able to convince your parents to stop hating are very low.
However, if by a remote chance you want to contribute for the greater good of society, then continue with what you are doing. Sunshine really is the best disinfectant. Your life might become unbearably miserable, but in the long run more and more people will realize that anyone at all can be one of "them fagots".
Whichever path you want to take is entirely up to you.
P.S. - If tomorrow they suddenly find a cure for heterosexuality, I will gladly take the cure.


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Taz
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Joined: 07-18-2006


Message 54 of 240 (405212)
06-11-2007 9:58 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by taylor_31
06-11-2007 9:12 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
Oh no, don't get me wrong. In fact, I personally recommend you to go with the first option I mentioned: lay low and wait till you can fly on your own. I only threw out the second option because it's there, although I do recommend people (especially the young ones) against taking that route.
A best case scenario would be to start a sexual "revolution" in my narrow-minded town...
Some people might see my view as too radical, but in this particular case I agree wholeheartedly with Magneto.
Take the Eastern Roman Empire, for example. Almost over night, christianity turned from a persecuted religion to the official state religion. How? Because the Emperor was converted and he needed something to unite his empire.
I really really hope they find a cure for heterosexuality. Beside myself, I want to inject all the christians with the serum. See how they like it.
Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given.


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Message 60 of 240 (405346)
06-12-2007 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by molbiogirl
06-12-2007 4:55 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
molbiogirl writes:
Movies have changed (Brokeback Mountain).
I still have reservations with the movie Brokeback Mountain. The first gay themed movie that ever made it to the big screen had to prove that the fundies have been right all along.
(1) Homosexuality is only about sex and that there is no love involved. After one of the two gay heros of the story got rejected by his secret boyfriend, he went out to get a mexican prostitute and planned to move back to his parents' ranch with another man other than his secret boyfriend.
(2) Homosexuality will only lead to misery in life. Basically, there is no gay person in the story that was happy. The hero of the story even got killed by a mob of homophobes.
(3) Homosexuality destroys the lives of your family members. Every person related to the two gay heros of the story was affected by their relationship. Everyone's life was ruined.
(4) Homosexuality destroys marriages. Need I say anything about this?
(5) Homosexuality is immoral. Look at how unchristian the two gay heros are!
Like many people, I was dragged to the theater by my better half. While I was there, I thought I might as well enjoy the movie. As I watched, it occurred to me that this movie pretty much summed up the entirety of the fundy arguments against homosexuality in the past decades. Just a few days after the movie came out, the fundies were already using this movie as a canon ball for their cause on CNN.
Anyway, is it me or there's a hint of christian propaganda in Brokeback?


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Taz
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Message 62 of 240 (405417)
06-12-2007 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by crashfrog
06-12-2007 7:37 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
Your question is the same as asking is there a difference between living with HIV and having AIDS? Most people don't know or care about the distinction between the two. To most people, homosexuality and closeted homosexuality are the same thing. They don't care if they're two different things or not.
You have to remember what the audience is like. People that have been advocates of gay rights walked away understanding that the characters' lives were made miserable by the intolerant society they lived in. People that have been opposed to gay rights walked away thinking that the movie has just proved their position all along.
It could be entirely possible that I am just speaking out of my paranoia. However, I really don't think Brokeback was a good choice for the first gay themed movie to ever hit the big screen. I can think of plenty of gay themed movies out there that had a much better message than Brokeback. For example, the 2003 movie The Trip was 10 times better than Brokeback and was truly made for both sides of the audience. Brokeback, on the other hand, was only made for people who are already gay tolerant.


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Taz
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Message 66 of 240 (405437)
06-12-2007 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by molbiogirl
06-12-2007 9:03 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
First of all, is that you in the avatar?
I live in a bible belt state. When I went to the theater to see the movie, weeks after it had been here, the place was packed. I was stunned.
And the audience was moved. You could feel it in the air. The place crackled.
Perhaps you're right. However, all I know is just a few days after it came out I started seeing on CNN religious right wingers using the movie as proof for their position of the immorality of homosexuality. And since then, I've met and conversed with fundies that also tried to use the movie to their advantage. The thing is I suspected that they did not get that on their own but rather from their reverends. Just imagine that... whole congregations being preached about Brokeback being the proof they needed in their war against homosexuality.
This, btw, is in direct contrast to the showing of The Last Temptation of Christ that I went to see in St. Louis. Not only were there protests outside the theater, there was a lynch mob vibe when the show let out.
What I found surprising was that even the almighty catholic church (or at least its representatives) spoke out violently against the movie. I even remember a priest saying "... this is the ultimate exploitation... blah blah blah"
(In the interest of full disclosure, I have a BA in Womens Studies! I was a rompin stompin lil feminist in my day.)
Did you burn your bras too?
But, hey. It's Hollywood. Whattayagonnado?
Well, I guess the best I could do is tell as many people as I can to go rent the movie The Trip. It's 10 times better than Brokeback. There is no way in hell anyone can possibly use that movie to prove their bigotted ways. But most importantly, you will walk away after seeing The Trip knowing that there are just as many beautiful as well as ugly sides as so-called straight relationships. They could have easily replaced Alan (the main character) with Alice without having to change a single word in the script.
So. To make a very long story short, I think that a wider range of independent movies/shows/songs, plus giganto amorphous internets, equals a whole bunch of terrific stuff coming down the pipeline. And I think it's gonna move society in ways that are unpredictable (in a good way).
OMG, you're one of those people that actually enjoy reading and writing metaphorical bullshit stuff.


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Taz
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Message 76 of 240 (405537)
06-13-2007 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by riVeRraT
06-13-2007 12:36 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
riverrat writes:
Quick question, can you define that better?
Was God actually telling you something, or this is what was preached from the pulpit?
Both, actually. To put simply, I was raised to hate. I also talked to god everyday in forms of prayers and the answers I got (in forms of feelings) agreed with everything I was taught.
I will never understand that. There is nothing that Jesus said, that would drive you to act that way.
Or does God come down and tell anyone to hate, I am convinced of that.
How is it hard to understand? Just look at how many people flocked to vote for legislations that would curb gay rights. Just look at how many states have some sort of ban on gay marriage or any form of civil union for gay people that even remotely resemble marriage. Clearly, it's either mass hysteria or that is the message people are getting from their religious beliefs.
First you hated gays, now you hate religious fanatics.
Well, not really. I never said I hate religious fanatics. If anything, I feel sorry for them for being forever trapped in a delusion.
If there's anything I've been repeating myself over and over on these boards, it's my overwhelming support for people's right to free speech as well as religion. People can worship god, buddha, allah, the pink unicorn, or Britteney Spears for all I care. What I am oppose to is people using religion as some kind of excuse to legislate morality in this country.
First you thought being gay needed a cure, now you think being heterosexual needs a cure?
Trust me, I think heterosexuals need a cure purely for the welfare of this planet. Even in the USA (the richest and most powerful country in the world), millions of children live in poverty. Take a flight to India and the people there are in even more extreme poverty. It took 6 thousand years for the world population to reach 2 billion, and it only took the last 100 years for the population to get to 6.5 billion. So surely, even you can see the trend to where this is going.
To me, it seems like you've never really changed your heart at all. You've just shifted your unrighteous hate from one camp to another.
If you want to think of it that way. Just remember that there is a difference. Before, I wanted to ship the faggots to an island and let them rot there. Nowadays, all I ask for is that religious people stop trying to shove their religion down my throat and the throats of my fellow humans. Big difference.


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Taz
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Message 85 of 240 (405624)
06-14-2007 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by riVeRraT
06-13-2007 5:08 PM


Re: The mysteries of life
Hey riverrat, read Buzsaw's latest post. If you really think the bible brought out the tolerance in you, perhaps you could talk to Buz a little bit? There's more of a chance that he'll listen to a fellow christian rather than us hellbounders.


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Taz
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Message 95 of 240 (405704)
06-14-2007 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by subbie
06-14-2007 12:05 PM


Re: Buzsaw Weighing In Here
Subbie, while I understand that there are christians that actually love the way christ taught it, I can't recall at all the last time I heard of or saw a christian rally to support gay rights or a christian rally to protest against christians that want to take away gay rights. In fact, I can't remember the last time I heard or saw any christian at all publically talk in front of a camera or in front of a crowd denouncing the christian bigots.
In fact, a couple years ago I attended a town meeting on the issue of gay marriage. Most of the people that went were professed christians. One particular christian stood up and proclaimed that "homosexuality causes more teenage pregnancy." Not one christian said anything or did anything to counter this guy's claim.
Ok, so there are thinking christians out there that are not bigots. But quite simply put, the fact that each year more and more states have passed legislations to ban any form of civil union for gay people tells me that either the "quiet majority" crowd just simply doesn't care or it doesn't really exist.
What I consistently see is that us atheists and "them gays" are left to fight this battle on our own on issues of human rights.
So, how do you expect us to keep the nut and steering wheel thing in mind when we don't actually see you guys do anything to counter your christian brothers?


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Taz
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Message 108 of 240 (405768)
06-14-2007 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by subbie
06-14-2007 3:28 PM


Re: Buzsaw Weighing In Here
subbie writes:
I certainly agree with your general assessment that the vocal christians are those who speak out against homosexuals and gay marriage. It may well be a reflection of the fact that hate generally gets more attention in the news than love does.
I don't think you got my point.
I'm not just talking about the loud ones. I'm not just talking about the ones that got all the attention. I'm talking about the ones that seem to be taking over.
If they are a few but loud ones, then we shouldn't be seeing state after state each year passing ban after ban of gay marriage and any kind of civil union for gay people that remotely resemble marriage. In other words, yes there are a few that are loud. But clearly, they also seem to have the majority.
Just the other day, I was listening on npr about interracial marriage in the deep south bible belt. They interviewed a 24 year old woman. Yes, the interview was done in 2007. She married a black man. She said that just about everybody in town look down on their relationship, that they'd call her husband nigger all the time, that they even beat her husband up a few time while telling him to stay away from white women.
You can't say "but it's only a small minority" if the whole town seem to be doing it and the tolerant ones don't say a word.
If there really are good christians out there and if they have the number (the quiet majority bullshit), we shouldn't be seeing these bigotted legislations being passed via referrandums. Just the mere fact that the sodomy laws were finally declared unconstitutional in the 21st century should be proof enough that there is no such thing as the "quiet majority".


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Message 109 of 240 (405771)
06-14-2007 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by riVeRraT
06-14-2007 5:47 PM


Re: Buzsaw Weighing In Here
riverrat writes:
What do you think?
I'm sorry... are you trying to make a point somewhere?


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Message 127 of 240 (405882)
06-15-2007 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Hyroglyphx
06-15-2007 9:59 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
nj writes:
Its one thing to accept homosexuality. Its another thing altogether to renounce heterosexuality in the process.
I'm going to pulverize the obvious here... Without heterosexuals, there would be no homosexuals. 'Nuff said.
Hahahahaha
So, it's not enough that you don't want gay people to be happy? Now you want to take my right to take the cure away from me?


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Message 166 of 240 (406155)
06-17-2007 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by riVeRraT
06-17-2007 9:47 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
Riverrat, I'm just curious. You are officially pro-gay rights but you are personally against them, or so you've said. Now that you've supposedly changed from your previous skewed view, if one of your kids is gay are you going to accept him or are you still going to stigmatize him like before?

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From: Zerus
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Message 179 of 240 (406261)
06-18-2007 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by riVeRraT
06-18-2007 6:37 AM


Re: The mysteries of life
riverrat writes:
I have never stigmatized anyone, in my entire life, why should I start now?
I do remember seeing you talk about how you would never approve it in your kids, that you'd teach them the best you can that it is not natural and is not acceptable in your household. God forbid if one of them is gay and has to listen to your rant about it, it's the same as stigmatizing them.
So again, are you still going to stigmatize or openly disapprove if one of them is gay or are you going to accept him for who he is?
Against them?
I am against no-one.
I am not in favor of the act of gay sex.
Schraf already made the point. You are beyond neutral. You disapprove, and from what you've said in the past your kids were going to hear from you if one of them was gay. That's called being against it.
It's not a skewed view, never was. You make me out to be a gay basher or something.
By your own admission not too long ago, you had decided that you were for gay marriage in the state. Before this point, you were against gay marriage in the state even though it had absolutely nothing to do with your marriage. Sounds pretty skewed to me.

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Taz
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From: Zerus
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Message 181 of 240 (406264)
06-18-2007 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 180 by Phat
06-18-2007 12:19 PM


Re: Sin is an action against humanity
Phat writes:
If this couple becomes so enamored of each other (call it lust, infatuation, or Eros) that they think only of themselves and their own wants and needs being satisfied, I would not be adverse in labeling their actions as sinful.
I don't understand something. If these two individuals lust for each other so bad and have consentual sex with each other, what the hell does that got to do with the rest of us?

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