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subbie
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Message 22 of 752 (566028)
06-22-2010 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by ICANT
06-22-2010 1:33 PM


Re: Question
Information is required for evolution to take place

No, it isn't.

DNA has a tremendous amount of informatin stored in it,

Meaningless without a workable definition of "information," which no creo has ever provided.

where did all that information come from?

The new genetic material, assuming this is what you mean by "information," came from mutations.

Any other toughies?


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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 65 of 752 (566280)
06-24-2010 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by ICANT
06-22-2010 3:29 PM


Re: Question
I take information to be a message with a sender that is responsible for the information and a receiver.

The information is any message the sender chooses to compose.

I know this won't meet your approval but so what?

Actually, I'm delighted with that definition. It's more than I've ever gotten out of any other creo. Of course, it conclusively refutes your claim that it takes information to make DNA, or even that DNA contains information. DNA came into existence through a natural combination of various molecules. The genetic material in DNA changes over time because of errors in the replication process and mutations. Thus, there is no sender or receiver.

QED.

Any other toughies?

Edited by subbie, : Just cuz


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate


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Message 103 of 752 (575674)
08-20-2010 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by crashfrog
08-20-2010 4:31 PM


If you're trying to hang your hat on the notion that mutations aren't random at all, there's just no evidence at all that's true.

Correct me if I'm wrong (and there's a not insignificant chance that I am since I'm simply relying on my memory of something I thought I heard once), but isn't there some evidence to show that mutations are more likely to occur at certain locations than others? If that's true, doesn't that mean that there is an element of nonrandomness in mutations?


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate


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Message 107 of 752 (575684)
08-20-2010 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Dr Adequate
08-20-2010 7:36 PM


True, but exactly how that applies to my question is far from clear.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate


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Message 108 of 752 (575685)
08-20-2010 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by jar
08-20-2010 7:43 PM


Anytime one of the dice comes up 1 you can't make 8. Anytime one of them comes up 6, you can't make 6.

Put it another way, there are two different ways to get each of the combinations you listed for 7, but only one way for them to come up 3 & 3 or 4 & 4.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson

For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate


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