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Phat Member Posts: 18655 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Are True Nerds the same counterpart to True Christians? FYI I used to watch all of the Star Treks! Im less familiar with Star Wars, though their weird spiritual interpretations of the Force or forces guiding the universe are predictable. And to be honest, without Star Trek, it is doubtful todays nerds would have had the inspiration to make JWST, Hubble, The Mars Global Surveyor, and a plethora of technological benefits that science has given us. My argument centers on human nature.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8655 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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Phat writes:
...Try Star Wars. Try Star Trek. Many Nerds worship that stuff!...xongsmith writes: No True Nerd does! Well ... define worship. You know us true nerds do worship the genre. Firefly is playing. Got to worship that show. But not in the religious zealous way Phat wants to imaging but more like the worship I used to give my girls ... lower regions ... reveling in the thoughts of the gifts I was about to receive. That kinda delicious happy worship.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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nwr Member Posts: 6484 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 9.2
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Try Star Wars. That's just fiction.
Try Star Trek. Also just fiction.
Many Nerds worship that stuff! I was never into either Star Wars or Star Trek. They are okay entertainment, but not very realistic.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Phat Member Posts: 18655 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
Your sarcasm reveals a lot about your ideas of worship.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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nwr Member Posts: 6484 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 9.2
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FYI I used to watch all of the Star Treks! I watched only a very few. They quickly became tiresome.
And to be honest, without Star Trek, it is doubtful todays nerds would have had the inspiration to make JWST, Hubble, The Mars Global Surveyor, and a plethora of technological benefits that science has given us. Then you do not understand what motivates scientists.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Phat Member Posts: 18655 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
nwr writes: Perhaps I don't. Can someone enlighten me? We already know what motivates believers...so in all fairness lets discuss the other side. Then you do not understand what motivates scientists.
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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nwr Member Posts: 6484 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 9.2
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Scientists are mostly motivated by an intense curiosity.
Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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Many Nerds worship that stuff!
No one worships Star Wars in the sense of worshipping a god.Again you dabble in fallacies. Look up equivocation. You RWNJ"s and fundies use it all the time. If you can't find it let me know. I will draw you a map. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.3 |
It is fucking a story you idiot.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9489 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 6.3
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I think FireFly was the best show of the genre. Hated they just kind of wrapped it up with Serenity, but they did a good job with the movie. I also really enjoyed Farscape and Babylon 5.
Was never a big Star Trek fan. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8655 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 6.7
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Having a strong curiosity, most scientists are motivated by acknowledgement; seen as right by their peers. Ego and reputation are major concerns. And since in science you receive the highest accolades for being right the scientist's biggest and best motivation is to be right.
Priests, contrary, are concerned with being wrong. The wrong god, the wrong sex, the wrong way to have sex, etc.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Phat Member Posts: 18655 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.4 |
You don't even think WRONG exists. Satan sure fooled you! And I can imagine why you are so angry with those Priests. They tried to molest you and yet wouldn't let you molest women!
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Democrats should not be the only party. Respect the two-party system. -Phat, in December 2022 We see Monsters where Science shows us Windmills.~Phat, remixed
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 9.1
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Having a strong curiosity, most scientists are motivated by acknowledgement; seen as right by their peers. Ego and reputation are major concerns. And since in science you receive the highest accolades for being right the scientist's biggest and best motivation is to be right. Yep, curiosity is the prime ingredient for a scientist, but there is this emotional response that I think of as the "joy of discovery" and communicating those discoveries and getting credit for them (human ego). All the good scientists I know don't mind being incorrect and would be horrified at being shown to be a fraud, the ultimate in self betrayal. I am fortunate to have 4 best friends who also are interesting in studying the same sciences I do. We test our hypotheses about everything with each other first to see if the others can shoot them down. Good scientists try to find every flaw in their arguments to avoid public and personal humiliations. Whenever I hear the term "Cold Fusion" I think of Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons, who made an error in science communication that forever stained their reputations as scientists.
Wikipedia:Cold fusion Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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ringo Member (Idle past 672 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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riVeRraT writes:
We'll just take your word for that, shall we?
See, you don't understand science. riVeRraT writes:
No. Zero probability would prove God doesn't exist. Zero probability just means there is no evidence. If evidence is ever found, the probability would go up.
riVeRraT writes:
You contradict yourself. You just said that zero probability would prove.
Nothing in science is ever proven. riVeRrat writes:
No such thing as "subjective evidence". It's right there in the word: evident. If it isn't evident to everybody, it isn't evidence. There is plenty of evidence God exist, it's just subjective.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 672 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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riVeRraT writes:
If you're going to use definitions, at least get them right. Confidence is not the same as either trust or faith.
Definition of "near certain confidence" = high level of trust = high level of faith = faith. riVeRraT writes: Dynamite can actually move mountains.
Jesus said if you have enough faith, you can move a mountain. riVeRraT writes:
No such thing as subjective evidence.
I have evidence, it's just subjective. riVeRraT writes:
No. Your love for your children would be easily demonstrable. If they're well-fed and clothed, if they're sheltered and educated, that's evidence that you love them. If they cringe when you come near them, that would be evidence that you don't. Just like my love for my children is subjective. By your fruits we shall know you. Fruit is evidence.
riVeRrat writes:
Well, in this thread alone you've demonstrated that you don't know the difference between subjective and objective - or the difference between confidence and faith.
I've already proven in this forum that I have a firm grasp of science and how it works. riVeRraT writes:
Most of us here have been around the block a couple of times. All of us could write a long list of all the things we can do. I make a mean broccolli soup myself. This is only some of what I know and do. Some of us are capable of saying something stupid once in a while too.
riVeRraT writes:
We know what you tell us.
You have no position to try and make assumptions about me, you don't know anything about me and are a wrong for even trying. riVeRraT writes:
The "o" in my name stands for "off-topic". It's one of my favorite places, that and thin ice. You can't even stay on topic, because you have an evil heart. And when I'm off topic, I'm often chasing Phat's evil heart.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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