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Author Topic:   EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed - Science Under Attack
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Message 29 of 438 (443998)
12-27-2007 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Hyroglyphx
12-27-2007 5:16 PM


Re: My Personal Reaction
Have you ever honestly read a piece written by an avowed ID'ist? Its [sic] not exactly idiotic.
Well, perhaps it's not idiotic. It is very poorly written. And, given that it includes the following:
quote:
The significance and origin of irreducibly complex systems in biology
A first hint for answering the questions raised in last paragraph is perhaps also provided by Charles Darwin himself when he suggested the following sufficiency test for his theory [16]: “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” Darwin, however, stated that he could “not find out such a case” - which would, in fact, have invalidated his theory. Biochemist Michael J. Behe [5] has refined Darwin's statement by introducing and defining his concept of "irreducibly complex systems", specifying: “By irreducibly complex I mean a single system composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning.”
it's obviously written by someone with only a passing acquaintance with biology.

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 73 of 438 (456157)
02-15-2008 8:15 PM


Spotted at the thread from antievolution.org dedicated to the movie:

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 181 of 438 (464496)
04-26-2008 1:28 AM


Apparently evolution isn't the only science under attack.
I found this preview of an upcoming sequel of sorts to EXPELLED.

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Message 245 of 438 (516349)
07-24-2009 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by crawler30
07-24-2009 12:49 PM


Re: Excerpts from a review
Wheather or not you agree with the mans arguments everyone deserves the right to believe and say as they please without the fear of reprisal against them for it. Freedom of speach is a right we all enjoy and it really is not fair to be treated unfairly (especially at work) because of your beliefs.
Oh, ok.
So you'd have no problem with me working at a day care if I supported man/boy love, right?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 336 of 438 (517286)
07-30-2009 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by Wounded King
07-30-2009 5:50 PM


Re: Wildly off topic
traderdrew's question was somewhat similar in nature to this but at least had the advantage that it was posed in such way as to indicate that there was a sub-text to the queston.
I'd still love to hear his reasoning for his claim of only a 2% chance of the patient being HIV positive.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 338 of 438 (517297)
07-30-2009 10:28 PM
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07-30-2009 10:05 PM


Re: Wildly off topic
But that analysis, while accurate, has no application to the hypothetical. The hypothetical involved one person taking one test and getting one result from a test that is 95% accurate.
Apples and oranges.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 340 of 438 (517304)
07-30-2009 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 339 by Dr Adequate
07-30-2009 10:51 PM


Re: Wildly off topic
Yes, if a population of 1000 has 356 positives, then each of them has a 0.356 chance of being positive. However, if one of that population is then tested with a test that has a 95% accuracy rate, that test result changes the odds for that individual. That's the purpose of the test, to find out if that particular individual is positive or not. To say that the odds of a positive remain the same after the test ignores the fact of the test.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 359 of 438 (517782)
08-02-2009 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 356 by traderdrew
08-02-2009 1:11 PM


Re: Flatfish an ID Perspective
I have read different views of archeopteryx (not in ID books) but in evolution books. "Why Evolution is True" by Jerry Coyne, says its a reptile and a fancy book (forget the name) on prehistoric birds and precursors of birds says that archeopteryx is a true bird. What is the matter here?
The "matter" is that archeopteryx is a transitional fossil. As such, it has characteristics of both birds and reptiles. As a result, a compelling argument can be made that it is either. This is exactly what we see.
What else would you call an animal that has some characteristics of a reptile and some of a bird? What do you think a transitional fossil is going to look like?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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