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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Here's the link to the elections portion of google news.
http://news.google.com/news/section?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&to...
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
I know. He's an executive at Cat, or something like that. He's the guy that interviews and decides who comes, who stays, and who goes. And he is absolutely convinced obamacare will bankrupt Cat. He also calls those machinists lazy bastards.
This is why I'm still depressed from our visit to their place. They live their sweet lives toward the top of the food chain and they look down and see everyone below them as lazy bastards. I've never been more depressed. That sociopathic son of a bitch Romney... Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Jon writes:
This is the scary part. Reports have continuously shown that extreme right wing people like tea party members are at the bottom of the food chain and unemployed. Luckily us 'lazy bastards' outnumber folks like your brother-in-law. And that means a lot in a democracy.
Poorer people tend to be religious, and the more religious tend to think conservative. Liberals tend to be in the middle somewhere. In fact, I would argue that true liberals are dying out, and that we will be extinct in a couple more generations. Today's liberals are really moderates. This is not the only instance where "lazy bastards" cry bloody murder over "lazy bastards".
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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CS writes:
I've watched his whole speech many times now. Yes, I agree with you that he was talking about people like me. I started my business with $200. That's all I was willing to put into it. It is now bringing in for me an extra income on average of $1200 to 1500 a week. My business depends heavily on the internet, computers, tablets, smartphones, roads, bridges, and (surprise surprise) the collective knowledge of electronics of those who came before me. At no time have I ever pretended I got here on my own. That's why I agree with Obama completely. I don't doubt that, but Obama wasn't talking about corporations. He was talking about individuals who have started a successful business. This is why the fox news section with the 2 little girls annoy the hell out of me. Did those girls build the sidewalk? Did those girls invent lemonade? Did those girls grow the wood to build their table? Added by edit. By the way, before we go on, could you please say in clear and concise words that you concede that when Obama said "you didn't build that" he was referring to the American infrastructure? Just humor me and say it so I can continue to assume you're not a conservative liar. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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Hyroglyphx, aka... what the hell was your old name? writes:
That's because a large amount of democrats expected miracles. I don't get it. A large amount of Democrats ended up feeling let down and duped by Obama, stating that he's essentially Bush the Sequel. I'm talking from the perspective of (1) an ex-cop, (2) a researcher, (3) an engineer, and (4) a business owner. From my experiences in life, one single man can't do miracles, especially when congress is run by the part of NO.
Four years ago you loathed the man. Why the change?
I watch a lot of news, speeches, etc. I pay attention to people's words when they talk. You can say I've fallen in love with Obama. I see a lot of genuineness in him. On the other hand, I am convinced Romney is a functional sociopath. He made hundreds of millions by ruining thousands of people's lives. He doesn't remember leading a gang of boys to assault a gay kid in school, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. By the way, rapists also often don't remember their victims. That's why victims often are surprised when their rapists don't recognize them in court. I know, I know, you can say it's all politics. And I agree. We may joke all day about how all politicians are liars and all of that, but in the end we gotta use the best evidence we have and evaluate our options. Unlike tea partiers who make up bullshit about Obama (anti-christ, secret muslim agent, communist, etc.), I have real reasons to believe Romney is a functional sociopath.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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CS writes:
All businesses contribute to the infrastructure... except Bain Capital. That company took away from the infrastructure.
Isn't your business contributing to the infrastructure? I don't think that anybody thinks that they could have built their business without any infrastructure.
Well, it's one of those things that are obvious once you pointed it out. But before you pointed it out, most people wouldn't even think about it. Try to think of it like this. Can you think of anyone who will ever deny that we owe algebra to the arabs? How often does any of us think back to attribute that entire field of mathematics to the arabic culture? Or look at how we breathe. It's called air. Yet, most people don't even give it a second thought on most days. Why do some teachers mention it every once in a while? Facebook was a great idea that made someone very rich. But would it have worked back in the 1950s? At some point, people need to be reminded that it was the government that funded and built the internet, and the bill that made that possible was called the Gore Bill. I still don't see what you're arguing here. Obama reminded people that all businesses owe something or other to the American infrastructure, a teacher somewhere in the past, a helping hand, etc. What the hell is wrong with that?
No, but the sidewalk, lemonade, and wood existed regardless of any business venture they went on, and everybody has access to those already. Its the fact that they were smart and worked hard that made their business.
Did you actually watch that segment? The fox people and those girls made it sound like Obama said they didn't build that business. Are you trying to defend liars?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
I looked through that list, and every single thing on that list requires congressional approval. I'm sure Obama is very pleased knowing you think he's the absolute dictator of this country, because that's the only way he could impliment those things without congressional approval.
Miracles, or just owning up to the campaign promises? Don't write checks your butt can't cash, as they say. PolitiFact
t that's not why they're pissed. He's a Nobel Peace Prize recipient and is every bit the warlord GWB was.
You kidding? So, Obama was responsible for... other people choosing him for the Nobel Peace Prize? So, if I were to declare you the most homosexual man on Earth, would it be fair for you to be gang raped by whole gangs of homosexuals? After all, they could just say you won the title for being the most homosexual man on the planet.
I just don't understand what happened. If I recall, I remember you not caring very much for him citing that you both were from Illinois and knew he was shady, for lack of a better term.
I know. Like I said, Obama won me over. I'm not going to try to convince you since this is a personal thing. May be Obama had some kind of voodoo thing that changed my mind about him. But I know what you mean. Most of my liberal friends are saying they think Obama failed big time as a president. Again, I see the problem here as having too much expectations in the first place. Back when I still was not happy that Obama won the nomination, I already knew that he couldn't work miracles. I was realistic then, and I'm realistic now. The only thing that's changed is my personal attitude about him.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
onifre writes:
I think it is. People have been criticizing Obama for winning the Nobel Peace Prize. This came as a surprise to Obama as much as everyone else. What about accepting it, you ask? Doesn't that sound like a reasonable analogy, you guys? Let's look at his 2 choices. (1) Not accepting the prize, which is practically the same thing as telling the Nobel committee to fuck off. (2) Accepting the prize and piss off conservative liars. He did the only thing he could do. He accepted the prize, give a speech on how he was humbled, and donated the money to charity. Unless you could think of a better way to handle it, shut the hell up.
It's start to get very sad when you start to wonder, what then can be done? Why vote? Why pretend it matters? The only thing right now that makes any sense is the Occupy movements.
You serious?
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
crash writes:
You wish.
I'm going to pull a total Romney on this and take credit for it.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/...-table-debt-collapses-table
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Taz Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined:
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Can you really blame them, though? Most of the public don't spend the time to look up each candidate's info. The populous at large loves sound bites.
I used to think that the ideal campaign is one where there's no negative ads. But as my understanding of how our system of democracy evolves, I've begun to have a great distrust in the democratic system. I really would love to see a clean election campaign. I really would. But right now, because of the nature of the American people, a clean campaign is the same as suicide. I dare say that 80% of my friends, both liberals and conservatives, know jack shit about current events, let alone past events. They don't ever watch the news. They have very strong political opinions, but they don't know jack shit about anything. Just the other day, my lesbian friend, a conservative, said to me Obama has taken so many of our rights away she doesn't even know where to start. So, I politely asked her to name me one right that's been taken away from us by Obama. She just stared at me and then went back to saying how many rights we have lost. Her 5 year partner, on the other hand, is a liberal. She can't even tell me how many senators there are! She also believes Obamacare will be forcing her to quit her employer's insurance.
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