Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID

Are lying and calling people idiots on that list? I know you say that you are giving what you get on these forums, but didn't Jesus say to move beyond those types of petty grievances? Turn the other cheek? If you condemn the homosexual for continuing in her sin, but do not turn away from your own anger, pride, avarice, whatever, what does that make you? Are you a good ambassador for Christ or is this all for your own pride?

I'm always having to repent of my anger here, it's something I have yet to master but I'm working on it, praying about it, talking to God about it. I get frustrated with constant misinterpretations of what I'm saying because my point gets garbled. Could be pride, could be just frustration that the message isn't getting across. In any case I agree that my anger is a problem that's not yet under control.But I haven't condemned any homosexual or anyone for their sin, that is not what I'm arguing here. The argument is about what the nation does, not what individuals do. It's clear enough I think that unrepented sin will keep an individual out of the Kingdom of God, and that message comes up in context from time to time as it did in the quote you posted, but this thread is about what nations do with respect to legitimizing sin, which is dangerous for the nation.AND I don't lie, haven't lied about anything. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

So in essence are we talking about "national" behavior and "national" sin?Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Yes that's what I'm talking about. A nation brings itself under God's judgment when it enacts laws that oppose God's laws or otherwise supports or endorses an evil practice. The sins of the people don't necessarily affect the fortunes of a nation, it's when the nation officially endorses a position contrary to God's that it becomes a national problem.In our time, the US has legalized abortion which is murder, it's mostly done away with the death penalty which violates what God said to Noah about how the person who takes a human life must himself be put to death. (We do have to be sure we've got the right guy though). The liberalization of divorce laws could be pointed to as a problem. Certainly the treating of pornography by the Supreme Court as "freedom of speech" is a big blot against the nation. And now state after state is legitimizing gay marriage. We've piled up a lot of national sin here, a lot of it by twisting the First Amendment to mean the opposite of what it originally meant.And there are those who would add that this President's attitude toward Israel puts us even further in jeopardy. I've never been completely convinced of that view myself although I am a supporter of Israel, but there are those who think it's crucial as far as the wellbeing of the US goes.Signs that we are under judgment already include our open southern border which is a huge threat to the wellbeing of the nation. I might add that signs that Europe is under judgment include the growing hostile Muslim population there. I didn't think of that when frako insisted the Netherlands aren't under judgment but they have a huge growing Muslim population too that will probably become the source of murder and mayhem as soon as their numbers are large enough.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Stark, staring bonkers........

I'm sure that is a violation of one or more of the forum rules.

Everything I said is extrapolated from Biblical principles, nothing strange about it. The Old Testament is full of examples of nations coming under God's judgment, and the ways they are judged are described in Deuteronomy and Leviticus. Economic depression is one, famine, disease, invasion by foreigners, attack by armies. The Babylonian captivity was God's judgment for centuries of Israel's sins.

It also happens to cultures and other groups of people.Like how God brought the Protestants under his judgement by having so many of them killed by the Catholics. That's what you get for attacking his True Church.Isn't His power awesome!? Praise the Lord!

No offense but the world you live in is really fucked up, im glad i live in this not so perfect reality.

So you want evidence of state-recognized marriages for homosexuals before there were state-recognized marriages for heterosexuals? Fascinating dodge.What you have is evidence of culturally accepted homosexual public relationships, people that were not persecuted for living their lives their way.Enjoy

Nobody's saying you have to live in mine, but mine was believed by Jefferson and Lincoln, which is being discussed on the thread about the Civil War, so you can't say it's some weird idea of my own or some small group I belong to.

I don't care if it's "state" authorized, there are other ways a practice is approved or disapproved by a culture, that's what I'm asking for.ABE: The point of course is that gay marriage is being forced on all of us by official decree. If it were just a matter of homosexuals setting up their own marriage rites and leaving the rest of us alone there wouldn't be all this brouhaha, but they are legally requiring it of the entire nation and bullying those who refuse it, and Christians will not accept it. So what I want to know is if there was ever anything like this anywhere before and I don't think there ever was.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Utter bullshit Faith. You have not been told you must marry someone of the same sex or even recognize a same sex marriage. Your Church is free to remain the sanctuary of bigots, fools and the willfully ignorant.No same sex marriage is being forced on anyone in the US and to claim so is at best paranoia.Edited by jar, : a ---> at

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The point of course is that gay marriage is being forced on all of us by official decree

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It's not as if it affects you in any significant way, except for taking away an excuse for discriminating against homosexuals, so why are you complaining ?

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If it were just a matter of homosexuals setting up their own marriage rites and leaving the rest of us alone there wouldn't be all this brouhaha, but they are legally requiring it of the entire nation and bullying those who refuse it, and Christians will not accept it

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Duh! The whole point is to extend the legal status of marriage ! And in what way are you NOT being "left alone" by it ? You talk as if it was a terrible imposition but it obviously isn't.So what exactly is being "forced" on you ?

What is being forced on us is the requirement that we accept gay marriage as legitimate. This doesn't necessarily become a problem UNTIL we are asked to verbally or otherwise endorse it in some way, which a Christian cannot do. This is the basis for the horrible mistreatment of the Christians who would not lend their business services to endorsing gay marriage, which ought to be a protected freedom, but no longer. I've already described some of the "tolerant" tactics of the leftist gay rights activists on this thread I believe, lawsuits, heavy fines, destruction of property, a travesty in what was once considered to be a free country. For merely politely declining to use their business to validate gay marriage. There is every reason to expect that merely saying one opposes gay marriage could bring down vicious retaliation under these circumstances. Sounds like a totalitarian state to me, not the nation of the land of the free.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.