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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Welcome back, you old rat. I was just thinking about you the other day. I remember you as a man with a mind of his own.
Of course there never was an Ark. It's just a story and Christians almost always miss the point of the story.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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riVeRraT writes:
No doubt He could - but if He did, we wouldn't be able to trust Him on anything else, would we?
If the Creator of the universe decided to hide evidence of the flood, I am sure He could. riVeRraT writes:
Jesus didn't say we should believe fairy tales. He said that mouthing, "Lord, Lord," is not real faith. Real faith is in doing, not thinking.
After all Jesus said we are to believe by faith. riVeRraT writes:
More likely, the bird was just looking for a moderately dry place to sit for a minute, to get his bearings. If animals are somehow "drawn" to humans, where are all the others?
... it made me think that animals are programmed to seek shelter with humans in these catastrophic events, or an event like the flood.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRraT writes:
How can anybody chop somebody else's faith down? That's just a copout.
They constantly attack "Christians" and chop our faith down. riVeRraT writes:
I look to another fictional character, Long John Silver.
People are so misinformed that they look to humans to find God, instead of looking towards Jesus.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Y'know what reminded me of the Flood? The flooding. The fact that there was an animal within a hundred miles doesn't add much.
Does it remind us of the Flood perhaps?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRraT writes:
Then you're a creationist. You just don't believe creationism is science.
I am not a creationist. Creationist do not conduct real science. I believe Creation is possible, more than random evolution.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
tiVeRraT writes:
The keyword is "created". If you believe a creator was necessary to the process, you're a creationist. To be fair though, we most often use the word for the worst kind of science-deniers. You're only the second or third worst kind.
What am I if I believe we were created to evolve through natural processes?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's kinda like saying the smoking gun in your hand is proof of your innocence.
Sure. Strata and fossils.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRraT writes:
A disciple of Christ would be somebody who follows the teachings of Christ. You'd learn more by broadening your scope. Right now, your belief in Christ seems to be holding your learning back - e.g. you can't seem to learn that the Flood never happened.
Liek I prefer not to be called a Christian. Disciple is better, because I am always learning.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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riVeRraT writes:
Read the topic title. You said that it was evidence OF the flood. That is a hypothesis of sorts. But does your evidence support the flood story? Do animals seek shelter in non-flood situations? Yes. So your hypothesis fails.
I never offered a hypotheses. I just offered evidence. riVeRraT writes:
Nobody is ignoring your evidence. They're ignoring your interpretation of the evidence - because it's nonsensical.
There is evidence, you just choose to ignore it based on other evidence. riVeRraT writes:
That statement isn't true. Jesus Himself encouraged Thomas to use objective evidence.
You must believe in God by faith. In order for that statement to be true, you cannot use objective evidence to believe in God.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Did He?
However, Jesus also indicated that believing without the evidence was preferable. quote:It looks to me like He was saying that believing without evidence is also acceptable. There's no clear indication of preference.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
As long as atheistic science works for mundane tasks like curing disease and putting men on the moon, who cares if it's Ye Olde Absolute Trvth?
What if there is a God who made it all and your atheistic science just completely misses it?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I quoted Him. He didn't say it was better.
Jesus graciously allowed him the direct evidence of seeing it himself but He is saying it would have been better had He believed the disciples. Faith writes:
Poor evidence, which is why Jesus offered real, hard evidence.
Witness evidence is also evidence. Faith writes:
That is obviously NOT what Jesus meant, since His death and resurrection had not been written in the Bible yet.
... we are told to believe and that means believe what is written in the Bible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
That isn't clear at all.
It was clear that part of what Jesus said served as an admonishment to Thomas.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
No. When He said, "Blessed are those who did not see and yet believed," He was saying, "Blessed are those who did not see and yet believed." The preference is something you're adding to it.
When He said "Blessed are those who did not see and yet believed" He was indeed saying that would have been preferable. Faith writes:
No again. Belief is a poor substitute for direct evidence. We are all in that position now, we are not going to get Thomas' special audience, so it is far better to believe the witnesses than stubbornly refuse to believe unless we are given direct proof. And we come around again to what it means to believe. Is belief the mouthing of "Lord! Lord!" or is it the doing of His wishes? And if we do what He wishes, what difference does it make what we profess?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
riVeRraT writes:
People who "find Christ" tend to be anything but open-minded. Open-minded doesn't mean gullible; it doesn't mean receptive to woo. If you were really open-minded you'd be open to the idea that Christ doesn't exist, that He never existed. What this is about is being able to be open minded enough so you won't be held back from finding Christ. You can find Bigfoot without believing he exists. You have to be open to the evidence. There is no evidence that the Flood ever happened. There is no evidence that animals flock to humans for aid in times of adversity. And there is less evidence for Christ than there is for Bigfoot.
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