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Granny Magda
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Message 286 of 403 (602737)
01-31-2011 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by New Cat's Eye
01-31-2011 12:10 PM


Laws Are About What People Do
Hi CS,
I don't think they really do care about the zygote. I don't think its really about any particular abortions taking place. I think its about the legality of the situation. When legislation legitimized and allowed for abortions, that's when people started caring... caring about abortion being legal, but still not about any particular people having an abortion.
That simply makes no sense though.
We don't have laws for their own sake, we have laws so that they have an effect. Murder is outlawed because we want to discourage people from killing each other, not just because it seemed like a nice little law. We legislate for which side of the road people can drive on, not because we just love legislating, but because of the chaos that would result from not having such laws.
You can't separate a law from its motivations. If people didn't have a problem with particular abortions, they would not picket abortion clinics and verbally assault patients. They would not care either way about the law. It's only because people do care that abortions are taking place that they are concerned with the law at all.
It's easy to see how absurd this idea is. If people were only concerned with the law and not the abortions, then it would follow that anti-abortionists would be completely okay with abortions taking place, so long as those abortions were illegal. Do you really think that the anti-abortion lobby would be content to see the same number of abortions taking place if only they were illegal?
You sound as though you are trying to portray this issue as being no more than an interesting legal quandary. If that were the case, anti-abortion loon Scott Roeder would have murdered a legislator rather than an abortion doctor. Roeder claimed he acted "preborn children's lives were in imminent danger.", not because he felt there was some legal issue.
Anti-abortionists care about abortion law because they care about abortions. Nothing else makes the slightest sense.
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Granny Magda
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Message 289 of 403 (602746)
01-31-2011 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 287 by New Cat's Eye
01-31-2011 1:13 PM


Re: Laws Are About What People Do
Okay, I follow what you're saying, but;
Some of them still don't care about the zygote, but only joined the pro-life crowd as a response to the "legalization" of abortion.
If they don't care about the zygote either, one has to wonder why they give a shit about the law concerning zygotes. Of course, the answer to this is that it's just a religious problem. These people are more offended by the idea that their religious doctrine is being ignored than about any dead zygote. That isn't much of a defence.
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