Message 175 of 305 (398194)
04-29-2007 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Admin
04-29-2007 12:17 PM
Well it is becoming clear that this is not going well.
I find it fascinating that a group of 'naturalist zealots' can sit and claim that it is I who am denigrating others. The indignation and fury pours from the your bench...
What is more fascinating, is that each of us feels we are the one's speaking the truth, so... when you denigrate and label and judge, it is only a fact. It is therefore not really denigrating, it is only a proclamation of truth.
And the same goes for me...
When I said this is like the Pharisees mock trial of Christ, I am only making a 'declaration of truth'. I am stating a fact. So excuse me if that is taken as an offense.
This is 'litterally' right out of the Bible. This is exactly what Jesus said would happen to me if I dared to stand and speak to you.
It was the leadership who claimed that jesus was speaking nonsense and casting spells. It was they who called Him mad and demon posessed. But the irony is, that they had it backwards. They were the ones speaking nonsense. And as Jesus said then, I say now, 'Why is my language not clear to you'?
I am told to go back and re-work my thread proposal because it is non-sensicle (to you). But the fact is, it makes excellent sense. You do not have to be C.S. Lewis or 'mike the wiz' to understand it. But you actually have to be humble for once in your life and listen. To actually put yourself into the position of maybe being wrong, and consider that angle. Attempt to see through that lens.
But you know you are not wrong don't you? There's not a doubt in your mind...
I have to submit to humilty often here at EVC. And it is brutal! Mostly because I am a proud man like you. But I am getting better thanks to Christ. You remain the same.
Why it is that only I must be patient, listening, and kind is a mystery. It is as though I am speaking to people who consider themselves to be gods. It is as though we are on different parallel planets, yet here we are sharing the same space. We are transposed from the same image; one a negative and the other positive.
It is not my fault that you cannot understand what I said. And it would do me no good to complain about it. But this double standard of arrogance and vilification is mesmerizing.
I don't know what else to say. I am pouring myself out, almost dying to help you understand. But since you already do, you do not need me. The simple fact that I claim to understand something you do not is an offense to you in the highest order.
What do you suggest since your forum guidelines were not violated in any way by my proposed topic?
It was a simple question, "Does information have intrinsic purpose"?
My answer is yes.
And it is a complicated issue that does not lend itself to direct observation or proclamation. It is not supportable or verifiable other than to say, that any words we speak are only valid if the assertion to my question (in the affirmative) is true.
But it is revealed within the discourse itself. personally, I am happy with it as it stands, though few may be able to grasp what was said, at least it is there. If the good Lord wishes to direct someone who can make use of it, there it be.
One thing is certain, none of it serves your purposes. But for the record, it doesn't even serve my own. I get nothing but grief out of it all in pure material terms. My cross I suppose... I am almost beginning to enjoy it.
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