Dear fellow christian, judge not lest you be judged

Awesome, I'm glad you liked it, its the truth.I attend a church now where I can be me. I play keyboards on a Christian rock band, and rock out to 125 people or so every Sunday. I Love that I can worship the Lord in a way that he created. Sometimes we jam so heavy, I think the roof is going to come off, lol.Isn't that the way we are supposed to worship?

Science has figured out that if the polar caps melted, all but a few highest mountains wouild be covered. I was dissapointed to hear this, because it dis-proves that a flood happened. For years I thought this.Now I realized on my own, that if it rains heavy enough, the streams back up, and all the water in the world would not be at the same level. All God would have to do is make it rain harder over the mountains, and the earth would be covered in water. The streams would back up to the mountain tops. Ever see the missisippi after just a few days of heavy rain? Not only that, the fresh water system would not be disrupted, because the fresh water would be over land, and draining into the oceans fast enough to not allow it to back up. Only the lowest areas would have salt water back up into them, such as the valley of death, and the bonneville salt flats. All that salt would have had to come from somewhere.Its just my theory, and I am not a scientist, so have fun with it.

Source please because I really think that is wrong. Actually, if all the polar ice melted sea level would rise a few hundred feet only. Check here to start.

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Can't you read? I said because of that whole thing I decided it was a scam. Stop picking and choosing what I say. Try reading through my whole post before quoting and responding. Most of the answers are there already. You can't even read what you quotes. I stated several reasons why I did not believe in God. Are you calling me a liar? Are you ashamed that an athiest became a Christian. I guess you are so convinced that there is no God, that this couldn't be possible. Or because I believe in God now, that means that I always believed in him.So are you calling me a liar, and trying to tell me how I really felt?Your sarcasim doesn't make a good arguement, it only makes you look silly. Try some rational discussion, otherwise I will drop it with you. I have no tolerence for dis-honesty. I will simply give it to God to handle, because its out of my league. Bless you.

Not really, its only a small part of it. I can't use it, because millions of others believe in different religions. But I can relate to those who I know who feel the same thing I do, which is not the same as other religions. Why is this, because of all the idiot Christians out there, who claim to be one. Not because muslim is the better eligion, or the true one. So again the blame falls on man, which has nothing to do with God. This is why we need smart people like you to find the Lord, and help weed out all those bad ones. Its time we took back what is ours.Plus its not that by itself, its that with a lot of other things combined.Can you tell me what you have against Jesus's teachings? Show me some flaws in what he did or said.You seem to be using the rest of the world as an exuse to not believe in God, bad mistake. Not completely. It can all make sense if you piece it together, and Jesus can be the Son of God, and all those other religions believe in the same God with a different set of rules. All of which were created by man. They may or maynot have been led by the spirit of God to come up with exactly what they have. Different people need different religions, but they all can come to Christ. Isn't it obvious why CNN would run a story like this? They are trying to instill fear into the public, because of all the terrorist stuff going on. Its that fear factor, and bad news addiction that keeps them coming back.I would bet you the real story is, peaceful muslims are moving to our country and setting up there religion, so they have a place to go. So its not really on the rise on the earth as a whole, only shifting.But Christianity is on the decline in this country, but maybe not for long. We at our church have been sensing a movement in the spirit, and hope something good is going to happen here. Lets see what happens the next few years. I understand, but this is an interactive conversation, and maybe, just maybe I might be able to address one of your concerns or queries about Christianity.Remember I never attacked you directly about becoming Christian, I only put out a genral statement wanting smart athiest to come to know the Lord. That doesn't mean I will go running around forcing Christianity down your throat, but I will defend it when attacked.

Its been awhile since I thought of this, but I made a mistake. Its all the ice melting plus if all the moisture in the sky was on the ground.
Remeber, I think I heard this about 25 years ago, so its probably wrong, like science always does.I reealize that doesn't help my arguement, the moisture in the sky thing, but my rain theory still holds water. If you think about it, if the right conditions existed, the ice wouldn't even have to melt. There would just have to be enough rain over the land, and the earth would be covered in water. So its still possible, thats what I'm looking for.If you applied enough heat over say, the equator, couldn't that create enough moisture in the sky to make rain over the entire world? The rain would have to drain back to its evaporating point.Say the Sun had an unstable year, of higher output? Not exactly sure if thats possible. I should know that one too. Or Gigantic magnetic storm that lasted one year, and the magnetic lines of force passing through metal deposits in the earth could have acted like a giant toaster (I crack myself up). Hey maybe that explains why some metal deposits of same metals have different tensil strength than others. It was hardened by the Sun, based on there over-all resistance, some might have got hotter than others. I might be on to something. Remember its my prize. I said it first.Thats why God told Noah not to use metal nails in the construction of the Ark j/kOr say an impact, like the one that wiped out the dinosaurs possibly, could have sent enough water in the atmosphere, and then also created a global warming which could have speed up evaporation, cloud formation, and rain rates world wide.There are many possibility's ?This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 09-13-2004 11:54 PMThis message has been edited by riVeRraT, 09-13-2004 11:56 PM

Nope. None of those work.If you take the moisture out of the atmosphere you get no rain.If you evaporate more water out of the oceans, ocean levels go down. How tall is Mount Everest?There is no way to get enough water to flood Mount Everest. It's not here.The world-wide flood never happened, at least in the last half million years or so.

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I haven't been paying attention but how did this get on the topic of the Flood! There is a forum for that. Take it there.Also Riverrat, if you continue to make things up for which you have no support you will be stopped cold. It is a game that whatever has played enough. You need a reason for each suggestion you make. Having it magically produce the outcome you'd like is NOT a good enough reason. Stop now. Thank you.This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 09-14-2004 12:44 AM

You're right. Sorry. Will try to do better in the future.

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Mike, how do you know that the writers of the NT, because they were promoting their messianic offshoot of Judaism, and because they weren't there to witness any of the events they were writing about, didn't simply have the OT open next to them while they wrote the Gospels?How do you know they didn't just insert fulfillments of prophecies into the stories in order to make Christ as Messiah more convincing?There is a long tradition of non-literal story telling in Jewish sacred writing, so this would not have been viewed as lying, but just making it more meaningful. They understood the power of myth, and that mythic truth is a different kind of truth, and more powerful than literal truth.Many Biblical scholars, people who spend their entire lives studying the Bible, believe this to be the case.Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong is such a scholar, and he has something meaningful to add to this discussion: This message has been edited by schrafinator, 09-14-2004 08:00 AM

I pointed that out already. You seem to think that the action of water seeking its own level will happen instantianiously.So if it rained 2 ft of water over the rocky mountains in one day, how long would it take for the water to get back to the ocean? Those 2 feet would be missing from the ocean, and the level would be down.If it rained like that only over land, then the earth would be covered with water, and flooded. Everything would be washed away, unless it was buried already. It's about 28,000 feet if I remember correctly. What I'm telling you, is that the water level would not have to come up to the top of mount everest for it to be flooded.
Water can only drain off so fast, so if it rained hard enough, Mt. Everest would be covered in water. It waould still look like a mountain, but it would be covered in water, getting deeper as you go down in elevation.Someone should create a computer model of what the Himalayas would look like if it rained 2ft of rain there for 40 days.With this theory, I would also say it would be immpossible for the ark to have wound up on a mountain ridge somewhere. It would have more likely to have ended up in a plain.Are you getting the picture, or the theory I am trying to tell you?

Sorry, but the admins have said this discussion is OT. Start a thread if you'd like to pursue this further.

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I'd take the same route Schraf did, and ask you what rules you think would work, or what specifically about the existing rules you think is so unfair. But heck... you got asked that in the other thread, and dodged it then too.You've been told our reasoning behind those rules, and you've failed to point out the flaw in that reasoning as well. Other than complaining that Biblical prophecy doesn't measure up to them, that is. Wow. You have to assume the existence of God, and worry about being "arrogant" towards him, in order to critically examine the Bible? No wonder it's so incredibly weak in the face of objective analysis. We told you what will satisfy us, Mike. The Bible doesn't make the cut. That's the Bible's fault, not anyone else's.Sheesh, you'd think almighty GOD could write a prophecy or two that was just objectively impressive, wouldn't you? I mean... all this water into wine, and turning people to salt and what not... the guy can't write one lousy prophecy in straightforward language?This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 09-14-2004 09:38 AM

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

1. The rules are made by man.
2. The prophecies TOTALLY destroy the intended "attempt" to stop their truth by introducing these silly rules. And therefore, the prophecies TOTALLY remove these silly rules, as they are true, and I have shown them to be true.Also; I HAVE provided prophecies in this thread - highly accurate, and I can provide 119 prophecies of Christ from Isaiah alone, and no-one has shown interest, and also they have ignored the ones I shown in gold. Infact Dan, every single one is impressive, and true. And so --> I agree with you that God has provided hundreds of accurate prophecies.

Message #61, and message #145. Because I believe in Christ, and he is truth. It's more sensible that all the bible - completely holding together, and being acccurate in prophecy, is infact an impossible accomplishment for any liars. No-one promoting a lie could have foreseen the "bible" coming about in these ages, and lasting this long, and still being prophetically accurate.These prophecies only make sense in Christ being true. (In those prophecies I alone quoted)I am currently reading Isaiah again, I am up to chapter 40, I hope you will also read and believe! And I tell you, that is an amazing book of prophecies concerning Christ.But now you suggest a lie of the NT, because maybe you have seen accuracy in what I have shown? Atleast admitt it - then I'll call you a "critical thinker"/YES, atleast admitt that by you suggesting that "didn't simply have the OT open next to them while they wrote the Gospels?" - So, it really is that good eh Shraff! Even you can see that it looks like someone has done this BECAUSE of the accuracy of these prophecies. Thanks!Atleast admitt that Christ was prophecised, THEN you can comfort your fear that the bible is true by suggesting the NT writers had the OT in front of them etc...And who's to say there was a collection of prophets for them to copy from? It's not like they had a bible back then.