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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Peg writes: Modern linguists have also created a chart of human language and they've found there there are parent languges from which all other languages are derived. This is in harmony with the bible account. This statement is not true according to modern linguists. For just one single example, Euskara, the ancient language still spoken by some Basques, no prior root language has even remotely been agreed upon by any purported 'modern linguists.' See: Basque language - Wikipedia
quote: I can come up with other examples but even just one refutes your assertion. Remember you have been shown your statement is false, but that may be due to ignorance of fact. However, if you later willfully repeat the same statement after being shown it is false, you will be guilty of violating God's Commandment against bearing false witness. Edited by anglagard, : Add willfully for emphasis Edited by anglagard, : Add quote for those who, when contradicted, suddenly can't push the left button on a mouse. The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
In message 158 in this thread you stated:
quote: emphasis mine In message 164 in this thread I stated:
quote: Please allow me to clarify: You said "Modern linguists have also created a chart of human language and they've found there there are parent languges from which all other languages are derived." I said "For just one single example, Euskara, the ancient language still spoken by some Basques, no prior root language has even remotely been agreed upon by any purported 'modern linguists." It is pretty obvious that you imply that essentially all modern linguists are in general agreement that the Basque language has an identifiable root. It is pretty obvious that I stated modern linguists do not in any way agree on the Basque language having any identifiable root. Should you have sought to imply something resembling the truth, you would have modified the term 'modern linguists' with the word some, or a few, or a minority of. Instead you clearly leave the impression that a majority of the modern community of linguists agree on an identifiable root language to Euskara. That is a false assertion, as I clearly showed. However instead of dealing with the matter at hand you try to palm the pea, shift the goalposts.
quote: Your speculations concerning any god magically poofing languages into existence at any time is not the issue. The issue here is the assertion that modern linguists at this very moment somehow agree that every language has an identifiable root. I hold that you are falsely representing the consensus of their findings. Now you can either deal with or not as is your wont.
how in the world did you conclude that my assertion that all languages can be traced to a parent language are false? According to the genesis account, there should be several parent languages....which there are. Because you asserted that at present, right now, that "Modern linguists have also created a chart of human language and they've found there there are parent languges from which all other languages are derived." That statement is false as shown with the single counterexample I provided.
aside from the fact that not all linguists agree with the basque language hypotheses (likely because they just dont have enough information yet) what makes impossible that it itself is not a parent language? Once again future findings are not the issue. The issue is that you stated that "Modern linguists have also created a chart of human language and they've found there there are parent languges from which all other languages are derived." And now you make your case even less defensible by you yourself stating "what makes impossible that it itself is not a parent language?" which totally refutes any validity behind the statement that it has an identifiable root agreed upon by a majority of linguists. You can't even get your story straight. As to my ending, it was over harsh considering the previous or that you meant to imply falsehood and move the goalposts/palm the pea, as opposed to knowingly and directly state an indisputable falsehood as fact. Still bad form. {ABE} either that or you are having a lot of trouble in either creating or following a coherent argument - I am beginning to tilt toward this second explanation, in which case I was definitely overly judgmental. {/ABE} Edited by anglagard, : point out self-contradiction. Edited by anglagard, : clarity Edited by anglagard, : No reason given. Edited by anglagard, : replace defiantly with definitely, Freud's slip is showing The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Peg writes: Modern linguists have also created a chart of human language and they've found there there are parent languges from which all other languages are derived. You stated this as a matter of present fact. I pointed out that there is at least one language to which no parent language is remotely agreed upon by modern linguists. They have not agreed on the identification of the parent language spoken by some Basques, therefore your assertion is at best misleading. However, I think you are either playing at being dense, or are actually too dense to even begin to understand the objection. I find it a waste of time to try to communicate with someone who has a mental block against understanding what I am saying. So forget it. May as well be taking to the cat. The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
I notice by your map, if you look really close, there appears to be a shade of color in northeast Spain and southwest France different from the rest of Europe.
I hope you realize that this color is not allowed in the Pegiverse. Edited by anglagard, : the yellow guy indicating the nature of the post The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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anglagard Member (Idle past 867 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Peg writes: That is not my opinion. The bible is a record of human history not found anywhere else, it provides answers to questions not found anywhere else. Would such all-encompassing answers include the invention of the Mayan and Aztec calendars, the methods used in creating corn and potatoes from the original wild forms, and the full extent of the entire history of China? It appears the Bible may be more a local history, than a global history, and recent scholarship indicates a somewhat less than infallible source of even local history at that. Cheering the home team is nothing more than provincialism, it is not in any way related to a self-examined life. The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes. Salman Rushdie This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen
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