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You are betting on their intellectual abilities and assuming they were ignorant, and clearly underestimating them. But there's no way you can know you are right or wrong on your bet I think we are going in circles here. You are saying pretty much what you had already said. I understand your point but I disagree and I think I've been clear enough explaining my own opinion, so is nothing else I need to add at this stage

How can you say that: have you even read the Bible?Philippians 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.People who follow Jesus are entered into the Book of Life.Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.If you are not reading the whole bible you cannot fully understand that Jesus in his mercy sends many, many people to Hell.Weasel words won't change a factual document. Saying that you do not understand the difficult bits does not mean that when your god says he wants those gays dead that that is not exactly what it means.You are in effect using the argument from incredulity; a logical fallacy.Edited by Larni, : No reason given.Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

Well yes we are, that's because you're saying some straight forwardly wrong things - hard to understand messages are the best way of communicating and iron age, uneducated, illiterate, primitive tribal people are as knowledgeable as we are.But hey-ho, that's the way the believer's mind appears to work.

I have read the Bible from cover to cover once, long time ago and I have started again. I’ve also heard some of the passages in the church or through videos, friends, etc. I am far from being expert on the Bible, but I’m on track.
If you read the Bible you can find out God’s plan of salvation for yourself, and understand that Jesus loves you and died for you. But you seem to be busy looking for reasons to hate it
God doesn’t want anybody to die, He wants anybody to be saved. But let’s say you later on happen to find out that God created you and gave you life and died to pay for your sins. If you get to know this and you still consciously reject Him, if you consciously reject Him who gave you life, what can you expect?..to die, maybe?

Then inventing death was something of an error of judgement on his part. But obviously Larni has not found this out. S/he has heard it, sure. That's different. You can no more say that Larni has "found out" and "got to know" that these things are true than a Muslim could say that you have "found out" and "got to know" that there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet. You have heard it alleged, but you have not found out that it's true. You did not "get to know this", you just got to hear it. Merely hearing it does not produce knowledge or even conviction. Well, the same is true of your religion. And I don't see how one can be morally culpable for not believing things that one does not in fact know.

What you are doing is ignoring what the bibles says (in my example that gay people should be killed) because it conflicts with your personal image of God.You don't agree with what the bible says God wants to happen to gay people so you undergo mental gymnastics so that your personal God is the same as the God depicted in the bible (the only source of information we have about God).You are defining God as having the same morality as you do. What you should be doing is adhearing to the morality of God (in this case wanting gay people dead).Think about your religion for a bit and you will see the true nature of God.

That's not what I said; what I said is far more elaborated and it's all in my previous posts. But if you like to reduce everything to some few words at your convenience, then I can say that for you all people of the past is stupid and only things that are easy to understand are true

Yeah, Larni hasn't found out, that's why I said: "let's say you later on happen to find out" and also: "if you consciously reject Him", and I said "consciously" twice, so I don't see how your reply is pertinent here

Well you could say that, but then you'd be wrong about that too, wouldn't you?Two wrongs just make you wrong twice.

No, I'm not ignoring it, what I said, if you go back and read my post, is that I don't understand why that passage is there but that it must be there for a reason. Did you realize when I said that I didn't like that passage either? But I cannot Judge God and rule Him down just because I don't like passages like that, and as I recognized myself there are many of those in the Bible No, that's just what you expect me to do 'cause you don't seem to be paying attention to my posts Not because that's what says in the Bible it means that I have to want gay people dead; I don't. Even if that's what God wanted I don't. I wish passages like that were not in the Bible, it would be easier, but they are there, and I'm doing the best I can to deal with them. God knows why those passages are there, I don't, and I won't judge Him. Fortunately Jesus Christ said (John 8: 7-8): "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her". So I rely on God's mercy on all of us, and won't throw stones at others when I am as much a sinner as they are Perfect, wise, loving, pure, merciful, beautiful. Can't think of enough words to describe Him

No, I'd be just playing your game. Since you can't offer a solid argument, answer all my questions ignoring some for your convenience and recognize that somebody can disagree with you but still have a point, all you can do is play silly games

How can one consciously reject something that has not been established by the person in question.Can I consciously reject the notion that a variable number of magpies is bad luck, if observed?Of course not. I can only consciously reject what I have previously accepted. The bible does state that God is in the hearts of all men regardless of whether we have heard of him but how do I know that you are not ignoring that part of the bible because it is as 'difficult' as Lev 20:13?So you see, going by the bible I have no leg to stand on and will go to Hell for ever for my rejection of him: unless (in your version of Christiainty) that bit can be ignored like the killing gays bit.

Correct: so the we may know that God wants gays dead. But where do you get these ideas that God is like this from? If it is from the Bible you must also include 'hates gays', 'condones incest' and 'kills children'.If not, why not.The bible is a very easy book to understand. It becomes complicated when one tries to reconcile it with a perfect, wise, loving, pure, merciful and beautiful character. Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

The pertinence of your hypothetical is also obscure. People who "know" that Christianity is true don't seem to overlap with the group of people who reject it.

He evidently had no control over that. Some god, eh?