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That's okay half BS.
True Christian doesn't see any.
I see mostly BS. No nukes you can run the middle ground. ))
There is lots more half BS.
But, this is my view for sure.

True Christian may well be right.I am not running any middle ground. I'm simply not proselytizing. Your list was composed of stuff that you found to be contradiction and stuff you found to be absurd/ridiculous. I was not willing to take on the latter stuff that requires faith to show where you may be wrong. So I took on the easy stuff, i.e. the contradictions and mistaken impressions. My point was that you did not manage to find a single contradiction. And that should have been the easy part because there are contradictions in the text.And of course there is also the issue that I am not a Bible literalist. Contradictions in a document that isn't to be taken literally may not be an issue for me.It is when you explain what caused you to separate from Christianity that I find you the most interesting. There is no reason to be an atheist or agnostic other than the state of your belief or non-belief in God. But you do have reasons. But most of those reasons seem, to me anyway to be contradictory and vague.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

You do seem like an interesting chap! Stick around awhile...I love meeting new people.

But he should not criticize your beliefs even if you attack his? Seems to be what you expect from us vile atheists.

I thought I said the opposite: It's innocent of authenticity until proven authentic. I agree that the Gospel of John is not evidence for the authenticity of the Gospel of John. As I said, we would need independent evidence. On the other hand, internal inconsistencies, if any, could suggest that it is not authentic.

The same way a Trekkie could doubt the existence of Spock.

Okay Ringo.
I'll show some more "inconsistencies".I'll do a little homework later. I remember a couple other inconsistencies ( for me) but there are quite a few more.
I suspect you'll disagree for the hell of it though. :-))))

I think you're trying too hard to find inconsistencies, just like the fundamentalists try too hard to avoid them. Instead of taking an extreme position at either end of the spectrum, you should take the Bible for what it is, a book (or a set of books).

Okay, these two others I know but I'll give more after I check some notes later.
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John 1:18 Nobody has seen god at any timeWell, yes they have:
Gen 35:9, Exodus 6:3, Numbers 14:14, Deu 5:4
( God is seen in a few other places too)
___________________________________________________Jesus judges no one : John 12:47Jesus does indeed judge: John 5:22, 26-27__________________________________________________

But I don't have to try hard, that's the problem.

Well, it's your problem. You don't have to try very hard to find ugly people either, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and your list isn't likely to impress anybody but yourself.

Did ugly people write errant stuff and claim it's inspired by god, then form religions around the errancy?. Then ya, I have a problem with that.
But to heck with it then. I'll leave it alone, don't want to be a self-impressionist.

Why?

Why?Indeed why is what I ask myself.You say this: Then follow it up with suggestion that I'm now trying to hard to find unimpressive inconsistencies.
I call that yanking the chain.
You can answer the why.

You should not have to try at all. If you are truly bothered by the inconsistencies in John or any other part of the Bible, I would expect you to be able to rattle off the issues from memory with perhaps some refreshing of your memory by glancing at the text. What's your difficult?FWIW, there are some past threads where people cited inconsistencies in the Bible and other people attempted to refute those citations with varying degrees of success including outright failure to refute.