Hi Mod
Mod writes:
10 years ago in fact Message 92. It was the same mistake as talking about the centre of the surface of a sphere. In the first case you were talking of looking up and today you are talking of looking down. But those dimensions don't exist in the 2D world we're talking of.
Glad you took time to look it up.
But did you read enough to understand what the discussion was about?
Mod writes:
Well the raisins would not have travelled through the dough at all. They'd have remained stationary. So they haven't travelled at any speed in that sense - the distance between them has grown rapidly - but not because they are moving.
I did not say anything about the raisins moving through space. According to the theory the space did grow moving the location of the raisins relative too where they were at when they were in that small 3" ball.
You can spin it any way you want you can not change the fact that the 1,000th raisin's location had changed by 186 million miles in one second.
Mod writes:
And remember, the first nuclei were forming within minutes. They were attracted to each other by the fundamental forces of nature (the stickiness) which in some cases are VERY powerful.
It does not make any difference about the stickiness of the raisins. In cake dough that can stick together. But when the space between them expands there is nothing that can hold them together.
From the moment expansion began they were not touching as they had already been ripped apart and being 186,000 miles of space between them in 1 second.
You are talking about minutes but in 1 second there was 186 thousand miles of space between them. Whether this is the elements of the universe or the raisins the space would grow at the same rate.
At the end of 60 seconds there would be 11,345,000 miles of space between each raisin. The last raisin would be 11,346,000,000 miles from the original position in the 3" ball of raisins. That is eleven billion, three hundred and forty six million miles of space from the original position.
BTW you would have space in the place where the 3" ball had existed. That space would be 22,692,000 miles in diameter.
Mod writes:
It has been done. What needs to happen is for you to stop repeating the same questions and objections and advance forward given the explanations you have been provided.
Do you ever think through your answers before you post them?
Mod writes:
But the case of the big bang is different. The matter was rapidly dispersed only a short time after the mixture of neutrons and protons had started the chain of fusion processes.
A proton is a positively charged subatomic particle found in the nucleus of an atom.
Nucleus is the center of an atom.
Neutron is an elementary particle with 0 charge and mass about equal to a proton.
Electron is a negatively charged particle located outside the atomic nucleus.
Atomic number is the number of protons in an atom.
Element a substance made up of only one kind of atom
Atom the smallest unit of an element that maintains the properties of that element.
What composes an atom?
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An atom itself is made up of three tiny kinds of particles called subatomic particles: protons, neutrons, and electrons. The protons and the neutrons make up the center of the atom called the nucleus and the electrons fly around above the nucleus in a small cloud.
The atom did not exist until 380,000 years after expansion began.
BTW 380,000 years after expansion began is as far as science can see back in the universe.
Mod writes:
So rather than trying to dismiss things as fairytales through analogy, it pays to remember that the rate of expansion, it's impact on density and how fundamental particles actually act are all taken into account by physicists who agree than when you put it all together - atoms can and will form, those atoms will come together to form stars and further nuclear synthesis will occur creating denser elements.
No one knows anything that happened until after 380,000 years after expansion began. It was that long before any light shined through.
So what are they basing their assumptions on?
Mod writes:
The raisins in the dough analogy is meant to illustrate the recession of the galaxies in simple form - it does not work to describe fundamental forces of nature operating in very hot and dense early conditions of the universe. That's a bit more complex than an analogy about cake is going to be able to model.
My raisins in my thought experiment is simply for the purpose of showing the distance that the space grows between each element before anything can be joined together to form anything.
Mod writes:
And the fact that cakes have boundaries and the universe does not,
But the universe does have boundaries. You can not go past the fabric of the universe. You are stuck inside.
Mod writes:
So, where does Bible give its predictions on nuclear abundances, the magnitude of the CMBR etc? I mean - all of this did begin with you claiming stuff about the Bible right. You haven't lost sight of the goal in order to pursue your pet subject have you?
I never lose site of my goals.
I am here to learn.
I am here to gather information for my book.
I am here to cause you to think for yourself. (That is a hard task)
Over the past week I have questioned expansion as presented in theory.
I think I have presented mathematical evidence that expansion can not have existed as has been proposed.
So my aim is the same, causing people to question what they have been force fed. I know the hard core posters here will never do that but the lurkers will that is the reason they are here.
God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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