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Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
jar
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Message 235 of 794 (877070)
06-03-2020 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 234 by Phat
06-03-2020 7:54 AM


Re: Truth Honesty & Creativity
LOL
And you show that you cannot even read or comprehend what you quote.
Phat writes:
You seem to teach that Christianity is about what we do, but what we do is reflected in whom we serve.
So you assert but reality says that is just word salad with absolutely no true meaning or value.
Feed the hungry, comfort the sorrowful, clothe the naked, protect the weak... it really is that simple. Who we serve should be the least of these our brothers.
Phat writes:
Christianity is a called-out group of people who serve God first and through that Spiritual Communion take care of each other.
And that is why they will be Goats and Jesus will condemn them!

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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days)
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Message 241 of 794 (877180)
06-07-2020 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 240 by Phat
06-07-2020 4:32 AM


Re: Loving God Leads To Effectively Loving & Serving Others
Phat writes:
So am I preaching to the goats?
No, rather bleating with all the other goats.

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jar
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Message 243 of 794 (877186)
06-07-2020 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by Phat
06-07-2020 8:10 AM


Re: A Beer Run For Jesus??
Phat writes:
And if you truly do unto the least of these as you would do unto Him, do you really think you would get rewarded for buying someone a beer?
And there it is yet again, the difference between what Jesus marketed and what the Apologist sell.
The Apologist says, "Do this and you will get rewarded, here on Earth or in Heaven!"
Jesus said "This is your duty. It's not important whether you get rewarded or not, it is your duty."
Phat writes:
Now how about taking the idea of loving God with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength literally as well
What does that even mean Phat? Shall I shout out "Lord Lord"?
How does one love God with all their heart, soul, mind, body, strength?
Phat writes:
Or do you honestly think that He could care less if you take time each day to talk to Him?
Well, how exactly can someone hold a conversation with God and know that it is God responding?

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jar
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Message 247 of 794 (877195)
06-07-2020 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Phat
06-07-2020 2:14 PM


Re: A Beer Run For Jesus??
Phat writes:
If you are having a conversation with God, you will know by what your conscience tells you at that moment...but it does take practice, honesty, and testing the spirits.
LOL.
You are almost there.
You test the content.
No one though has ever explained any way that anyone can test the spirit or any spirit.
John does not explain anything; the author of John in that passage is just selling more word salad.
Phat writes:
What you don't do is throw God away
Why not? Can anyone discus any god or God that is not just a human creation? The God(s) of the Bible are all just human creations.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 249 of 794 (877197)
06-07-2020 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Phat
06-07-2020 2:37 PM


Re: A Beer Run For Jesus??
Phat writes:
Is Jesus a human creation?
If you mean any Jesus that anyone can discuss then Yes, Jesus is absolutely a human creation. All we can ever know about "Jesus" are the descriptions of the character Jesus in different stories written by human, redacted by humans, marketed by humans. The whole reason the Gospel of John was written was to create a different Jesus than what had been created in the other Gospels.
Phat writes:
I believee that the Bible has value in its content because of the actual existence of Jesus Christ who predated the book.
Yes, that is something you claim to believe. But to support that you use what? Answer, what is created in a book.
Phat writes:
You need the Holy Spirit and not simply logic, reason, and reality.
So you assert yet you never provide evidence or reasoning to support such a claim.
Phat writes:
But you also believe that God logically saves everybody.
Again, you are misrepresenting what I have said. I do not claim that God will save everyone but rather that if God really is the creator of all, seen and unseen and if there is something after life and if God will judge the fate of each person after their life it will be a judgement based on what they did during that life with the further possibility of forgiveness of such judgement by God.
What I have said is that is for all living things and not simply those who claim to be followers.

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jar
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Message 252 of 794 (877200)
06-08-2020 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 251 by Phat
06-08-2020 8:59 AM


Re: A Beer Run For Jesus??
Phat writes:
To summarize, I believe that the book describes Jesus Christ but does not create Jesus Christ. It is the other way around. Jesus was at the very beginning of time.
Again you approach the concept of GOD, God, god but never seem to really comprehend it.
You also do not believe what the Bible says or what the Nicene Creed says. You need to read both since they both tell the story of Jesus creation.
Your beliefs are fine, anyone can hold whatever beliefs they want but as a Christian it is a good idea not to contradict the basic documents of Faith or to at least admit that you are throwing away the basic documents of the Faith and creating something new.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 254 of 794 (877220)
06-08-2020 3:28 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by Phat
06-08-2020 3:06 PM


What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
Just as you don't comprehend the concept of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
LOL.
What possible evidence might you have to support such an assertion?
Phat writes:
I understand to an extent your understanding of it, but I see evidence that you believe very differently from the majority of Christians whom I have studied.
Yes, I believe that Bible actually says what is written and that the Creeds actually say what is written. A support that belief by quoting what is actually written and suggest that what is actually written is what the authors meant to actually be written.
Phat writes:
You can and have presented some evidence, but I do not believe that this scholarly dry and unanointed response is Christian so much as it is philosophical, worldly, and unspiritual.
You are free to believe anything you want but you do need to counter evidence with evidence not belief. I don't tell people what to believe but only ask them to actually read what is written, examine the evidence.
Phat writes:
You don't think that a person can be regenerated or changed...that they can remain as they are and simply do good works to get closer to God.
No Phat I never even mention anyone getting closer to God. In fact I say that is utterly irrelevant. I say we should simply try to do what we are charged to do. Not to get closer to God but because it is the right thing and what we were told to do. It is our duty.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 257 of 794 (877307)
06-11-2020 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Phat
06-11-2020 12:58 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
Who Told Us?
Actually the charge evolved based on human experience but was codified within just about every know religious beliefs and far older that Jesus.
Phat writes:
Who Initiated The Charge?
Humans Phat, humans.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 259 of 794 (877318)
06-12-2020 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by Phat
06-12-2020 1:20 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
LOL
Phat writes:
I don't care what Christian "club" you claim membership in. You are a humanist. Christianity is Christ-centric Not Human-Centric. And Christ was at the beginning with God. No religion is "far older" than Him.
Phat, I do not claim membership; I am a registered member in a recognized Christian Sect.
Please stop posting silly falsehoods.
Jesus can be discussed because Jesus is a character in Christian mythos. The Bible says that Jesus was conceived by a human mother and that Jesus became man.
I am simply pointing out what is written. The whole concept of the Trinity does not appear in the Bible and where mention of God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit are mentioned they are mentioned as separate and unique identities. It even says that after Jesus ascended he will sit at the right hand of God.
There is no indication of Jesus existing in any of the Old Testament.
Further almost all religions are older than Christianity. Christianity and Islam are the new kids on the block. And the issue we were discussing, the charge to do what is right and try not to do what is wrong is common to almost every religion ever created by man. It is the basics of Buddhism which was taught hundreds of years before Jesus was born. It was taught by Judaism hundred or thousands of years before Jesus was born.
Reality trumps belief and dogma Phat.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
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Message 263 of 794 (877324)
06-12-2020 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Phat
06-12-2020 12:11 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
You may be an unwitting tool of the enemy, however.
The enemy is the CCoI. The biggest enemy of all peoples these days is much of Christianity.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 267 of 794 (877337)
06-13-2020 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Phat
06-13-2020 3:27 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
If you believe that, you will fall for the false religion and global plans of the Antichrist.
Much of US Christianity, all of the Apologists and all of the CCoI are tools of the Antichrist.
See how easy that is?
Think phat, really try it. You might like it.

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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 271 of 794 (877352)
06-13-2020 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Phat
06-13-2020 10:52 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
ALL Of The Apologists. Why?
Yes, at least every single Apologist that you have marketed. And the reason is simple; they market what they create instead of marketing what is actually written.
Phat writes:
I don't agree with your all-inclusive religion...I think it is heading towards a globalist consensus which I feel will be the wrong approach for humanity. Y
And still you show that either you have never read what I write or that you are incapable of comprehending what I have actually written.
I have never suggested any all inclusive religion and I doubt very much you even have a clue what consensus even means.

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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 274 of 794 (877358)
06-14-2020 7:57 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by Phat
06-14-2020 7:39 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
So againl, why believe jar of Deep South Texas over our favorite apologist?
I don't ask you to believe me; but actually read what is written.
What is written in the tale found in Genesis 2&3?
Phat, people can read what is written. What you believe is totally irrelevant; it is what is actually written that determines what is actually not what the Apologists claim it really should have said.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 276 of 794 (877361)
06-14-2020 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 275 by Phat
06-14-2020 8:06 AM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
But the fact remains that you frame the argument based on logic assuming that GOD is unknowable and that we humans do not need Him.
No Phat, I ask you and others to explain how they could know GOD. And the next part is even more important. We have been told what to do; so why do we want GOD to do what we are supposed to be doing?
Phat writes:
Perhaps you can agree with me on what Holy Communion is and why it is (or is not) necessary.
Holy Communion is a Rite Phat. It is a Rite for humans administered by humans. And it is not necessary.
But have you read the text of the Rite? It is all about what we should do; to prepare for taking part, during participation and after we complete the Rite.
But then you may be using the term Holy Communion in the format of the Apologists in which case it is for YOU to explain what it is and why it is (or is not) necessary. No Apologist has ever been able to do so but give it a try.

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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 278 of 794 (877363)
06-14-2020 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Phat
06-14-2020 12:28 PM


Re: What does the evidence show?
Phat writes:
Communion is, in part, a gathering of club members honoring our unity with Jesus Christ whom we believe lives eternally as God(or technically at the right hand of God, but I interpret this to be that Jesus IS God's hand...literally the Body of God.
Once again, you are creating the story that YOU want. Instead of believing what is actually written you are interpreting to make the story fit YOUR creation.

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