Please give me so-called "proof" of Jesus or God.

Who were these eye-witnesses?

That quote from Josephus is widely regarded to be fake - http://members.cox.net/galatians/Josephus.htm which also deals with the quote from Tacitus.

Martyrdom for a belief is not unique, but what kind of person would die for a known lie?. Historical records and reports about the disciples indicated they died cruel deaths. James was stoned, Peter was crucified upside down, Paul was beheaded, Thaddaeus was killed with arrows, Matthew and James (Zebedee) faced sword deaths and other believers were crucified. Then we have the edict were anyone found with a Bible was killed. Underneath Rome lie some 900miles of caves where over 7 million christians, executed for there beliefs were buried. Then you have Paul, a leading executor of christians who gave up wealth and power upon seeing the ressurection. Then going on to write most of the New Testament. The ressurected Christ was witnessed by more than 500 people (1 Corinthians 15:6). Many were nonbelievers who commited there lives soon after. Christians were so moved that they were willing to die for Christ.

So, Wako?Better documented deaths of the faithful than yours, guess you're following the wrong faith then?

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Martyrdom for a belief is not unique, but what kind of person would die for a known lie?.

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What was the specific belief you feel they died for?

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A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.

God. Jesus proclaimed to be God.

Greetings all,

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Historical records and reports about the disciples indicated they died cruel deaths.

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No they don't.
There are NO historical records of the disciples deaths.
Merely later myths and legends, often centuries later.

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Then we have the edict were anyone found with a Bible was killed.

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Poppycock!
No such edict ever existed.

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Underneath Rome lie some 900miles of caves where over 7 million christians, executed for there beliefs were buried.

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Nonsense - where do you GET this stuff?

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Then you have Paul, a leading executor of christians who gave up wealth and power upon seeing the ressurection.

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Are you serious?
Paul never saw the resurrection - he just had some sort of spiritual vision of Jesus.
Paul did NOT give up wealth and power.
Are you just making this all up or what?

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The ressurected Christ was witnessed by more than 500 people (1 Corinthians 15:6). Many were nonbelievers who commited there lives soon after.

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False.
One document claims 500 people saw Jesus - no names or details at all.
We have NO idea about ANYTHING about these people.
There is NO evidence "they were nonbelievers who commited there lives soon after"

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Christians were so moved that they were willing to die for Christ.

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Many Jews died for their beliefs,
suicide bombers die for their beliefs,
the Heaven's gate cult died for their beliefs...So what?Iasion

How does that even begin to answer my question?I asked you to substantiate a claim that there were eyewitnesses. Who were they?Why are you dodging the question?

You want proof? Kill yourself.You want to be a witness to Jesus?Acts 1
8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

To everyone: Please refrain from responding any further to almeyda. I want a one on one with almeyda. Let's see if I can squeeze some real juice out of almeyda. Would you say, then, that there was actually an alien space ship hidden behind Hale-bopp comet and that it was going to take the members of the heaven's gate cult to their paradise planet?Would you say, then, that Jim Jones was actually the messiah and he had healing powers?Please answer the questions directly. Consider me as a 13 yr old who cannot decipher poetic ramblings very well.

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More like 25 years (early 30s to late 50s, which is when the earliest of Paul's letters were written).

Depends on which person or which book your refer to I guess. I got the 40 figure from the fundies during a debate on biblical stuff some months ago. I think it was Prof Monte that told me that, not sure though.

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It might help to distinguish between a single person about whom traditions accrete, and a true composite. Lincoln is a single historical figure, to whom some legendary material has been attributed by later tradition. The same is likely true of Jesus. He is sufficiently well anchored historically that we're essentially talking about a single person, but there's a big enough gap between his life and the surviving reports (much larger than with Lincoln, of course) that it's inevitable that the traditions associated with him would change and grow.

Do you mean Biblical book or the source of the claim? In any case, your statement was about the first book in the New Testament, and it was wrong. There's no significant uncertainty about the dating of the earliest of Paul's epistles (unless one of the undated books is earlier, which is possible but unlikely). Are you sure this wasn't the time to the first gospel account? It would fit much better.

That is probably why Matthew Mark Luke and John wrote down the gospels. Misinformation began to circulate and they wanted to set the record straight and make sure that future believers would know the truth. Just my opinion of course, but it is reasonable.