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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
That's what I'm saying. That's why these 1950's race comparisons are stupid. If anti-gay discrimination is a thing of the past, how is it that an elected state legislature would have the votes to pass a pro-discrimination bill?
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I am not to do anything that appears to condone or promote their sexual practices and specifically gay marriage, both of which are against the Law of God. Please cite the verse where it says that taking pictures of homosexuals or baking them a cake is promoting homosexuality.
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That ought to be intuitively obvious IN THE CONTEXT OF GAY MARRIAGE, but if it's not for you it's none of your business if it is for others who do regard it as a violation of conscience. Again, freedom of conscience is for those whose opinions differ with our own. Freedom of conscience does not allow you to discriminate as part of your business. You can't deny inter-racial couples a bed a hotel just because you think inter-racial marriages are wrong. You are free to differ, but you aren't free to discriminate.
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They're not reading the bills and just voted for them because their party proposed it. That they have to renege to save face implies that most of their voters are not for the bill.
Baloney. I bet nearly every one of them would be re-elected if they kept supporting the bill. These bills are coming forward in multiple states (including my own) because there is wide spread public support for discrimination against gays.
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Again, the comparison of race with homosexuality is an absurd twisting of reality simply for the purpose of promoting bigotry against Christianity. Bigotry against christianity? Not even. There are christians who support gay rights and are against bills like the one that nearly passed in Arizona. This is a stand against people who are bigotted towards gays, and it is no different than discrimination against race.
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You are against "discrimination" against "sexual preferences," right? Apparently there are NO "sexual preferences" you would want to "discriminate" against? None whatever? Not between consenting adults, no.
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That's a good answer. Glad you aren't in favor of NAMBLA. I've never understood why people think there is a link between pedophilia and homosexuality. One is not the other. If you support the right of a man and a women to marry, should I also assume that you support a 40 year old man marrying a 10 year old girl? To be fair, you have not equated the two, but I have seen a lot of people claim that if you are for gay rights then you must also be for pedophile rights. Never understood that one.
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However, although you don't get it , again, let's leave it to the people who DO have a conscience against baking a wedding cake for a homosexual couple because to them it's like condoning gay marriage which they believe violates the Law of God. If you can not, in good conscience, bake cakes for the public in accordance with laws, THEN DON'T BE IN THE CAKE BUSINESS. It is a really simple concept.
Who are you or the state to dictate to a person's conscience? No one is dictating what a person's conscience should be. The state is not forcing you to be in the cake business or wedding photography business, as two examples. If you operate those businesses, you are doing so of your own free will, and in doing so you take on the rules that the state sets out for those businesses.
But again, if you, as a good citizen of the USSA, want to force it on Christians, I can only hope Christians will have the backbone to choose God over all these forces of bigotry against them no matter what the consequences. The bigots are the ones who want businesses to treat everyone equally, and not discriminate? Really? Were the bigots the ones who desegregated the South against the conscience of white Southerners?
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Interesting of course that religious liberty to this writer is only about PRIVATE practices, but if religious liberty is also about PUBLIC practices, which it always was in America until rather recently, then religious liberty may very well be at risk. Since when does religious liberty mean that you can force others to abide by your religious beliefs?
If religious liberty includes the right to refuse service to anyone . . . It doesn't. It never has. If you are part of the Aryan Nation Church (which is a real church) you can not deny people access to your hotel because of your race, even though it goes against your religious beliefs to treat people of color equally.
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When a nation officially repudiates God and His laws, . . . This nation has done so from the very beginning. According to the Constitution, you are free to break the following biblical laws: 1. Work on the Sabbath.2. Eat shellfish 3. Wear clothes of mixed fibers 4. Worship idols 5. Take the Lord's name in vain 6. Worship other gods besides the Abrahamic one 7. Not believe in gods I could list many, many more. In the end, we have always had a government that allows people to make moral decisions for themselves and not have it lorded over them by members of a religion they don't belong to. Can you tell us why people in a free country should be forced to live by the edicts of a religion they don't belong to?
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I'm talking about the Moral Law, which is illustrated by many cases in the Torah, which is based on the Ten Commandments, all laws that are derived from those commandments. The Ten Commandments say that you shall not worship idols. Our US Constitution says that you can worship idols if you please. The Ten Commandments say that you shall not take the Lord's name in vain. Our US Constitution says that you have freedom of speech, which includes blasphemy. The Ten Commandments say that you shall not worship any other gods other than the Abrahamic God. The US Consititution says that you can worship whatever god or gods you want. Are you starting to see a disconnect here?
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It would be nice if you'd read my posts about these things. It would be nice if you would understand that the US is not a theocracy.
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Those things were not the original intent of the Constitution, as many of our early court cases should inform you. But in general I agree that the Constitutional generation were traitors to the Christian heritage of this country. I would still like you to explain why people in a free country should have to follow the edicts of a religion that they don't belong to.
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And about SDA, many Adventists appear to believe truly in Christ and are probably saved, but the church itself is a cult because it is founded on the aberrant teachings of Ellen White who is regarded as a prophet. quote: One of the "abberant" teachings of Ellen White is that Genesis be taken literally, and at her urging the modern creationist movement was born.
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Sincerely Held Religious Belief By Baptist Minister Rev. Paul Brandeis Raushenbush It really shows the position for what it is. People actually feel discriminated against if they aren't allowed to punish people for not following their religious beliefs.
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