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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Obviously, creationists do not hold the same standard for criteria as to what constitutes evidence as do others. If everyone had precisely the same standards, there would be minor debate. Besides, having to defend your positions makes you ever stronger in your beliefs. The problem I see is when belief is substituted for evidence, and then defended in spite of contrary evidence. And to compound the problem, they claim it to be science in spite of it being the exact opposite of science. You can't have it both ways. Either you adhere to the standards of science, or you don't. I know a lot of creationists and other apologists want to have the good reputation of science associated with their beliefs, but it just doesn't work that way. You have to earn your reputation, whether it is for science as a whole or any particular branch.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I think the 48-hour suspensions of PaulK and Faith are too much.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Adminnemooseus writes: At the cited topic, there are currently 1739 messages, of which 174 are from Admin. He is third on the post number list. And it's been a long time since a mod here tried to enforce the rigors of scientific debate on a creationist debater in our science threads. Past damned time. But without creationists to try to educate, as hopeless as that often is, we'd have about 90% fewer posts in those threads and the remaining posts would be largely in agreement. And we'd be missing out on a lot of fun reading the absolutely silly things creationists come up with in the guise of science when what they're doing (as everyone knows) is pure religious apologetics. The pretzels they have to twist their arguments into to try to appear scientific, while being the exact opposite, are quite amusing. And it all helps us to refine our arguments, which isn't a bad thing. So, I'd favor being a little lax in the science threads.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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We don't need pure cranks here.
We have a lot of good debates with our creationists (e.g., Faith), but pure cranks should be encouraged to go elsewhere.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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I appreciate your concerns, but...
At some point all you can do is laugh.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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This place is boring without Faith.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
It's lying, yes, but it's mostly a strategy ... Most people lie with some sort of purpose in mind. Is that an excuse? He's trolling us. He's deliberately lying to get a reaction. From Wiki: In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement. I would have thought that was against Forum Guidelines.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Re: Message 239
Davidjay is deliberately generating and repeating falsehoods. We all know nobody on the evolution side claimed humans are descended from bats, but he keeps repeating the false claim that three have done so. That's not honest debating--that's trolling, and lying. That seems to be a part of an overall pattern for this poster. It would seem that some more substantial moderation might be in order.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Don't bother to promote Davidjay's latest, "Discuss the origins of EVOLUTION."
He'll just use the new thread to spam and lecture, with no attempt to debate. He's certainly not here to learn anything from us!Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Davidjay is off to a bad start with his new thread proposal:
Science is laws, but evolution is still a theory... Absolutely wrong. Science is facts-and-theories. And theories explain laws.
This is a chance for evolutionists to declare and state their origins of their theory... That's well over 150 years ago and the theory had evolved tremendously since then. But I suspect Davidjay has lots of cut-and-pastes from his website just ready to dump on us, thinking that if he can discredit Darwin or the origins of the theory he can make it all go away. (He can't)
Good debates involve both sides answering questions about their claims or statements... Which is one thing Davidjay doesn't do. If you won't send him packing, at least do some moderation to get him to conform to Forum Guidelines. Certainly don't reward him with another thread to spam his nonsense.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Davidjay writes: Evolutionists need a chance to participate in this origin of evolution, OR research it and find out about the first believers in thier theory and what it was based on. The last thing "evolutionists" need is to be lectured by a spamming and terminally-confused numerologist who is anti-science from start to finish.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2137 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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And your habit of proposing, let us kindly say "questionable" topics, cut-and-pasted from elsewhere, then not staying around to defend them, reeks of spam.
If you had any issues with my post you should have simply pointed them out and giving me a chance to rectify it. Only the proposer and admins can post to the Proposed Topic threads. Edited by Coyote, : No reason given.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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