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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Strong believer in the Constitution I see.
Amazing how so many people express the idea that they do not think the ballot box is a legitimate way to express their political will. It is amazing that violence has so many advocates.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
quote: I do think polls miss younger and poorer voters. Hillary verses Trump does seem like a scary set of alternatives. Hillary supported (verbally & diplomatically) a 2009 right-wing coup in Honduras against a democratically elected progressive. She had an unprecedented split with her President (Obama, of course) on this one, as he supported returning the democratically elected left-winger back to power. Sounds like a throwback to the Cold War when we overthrew democratically elected leader after democratically elected leader. Hillary has been in Washington for 24 years now, under 3 different 8 year administrations, and you know how many wars she opposed? From 1993-2001? Answer is 0. From 2001-2009? The answer is 0. 2009-2017? She wanted to do a lot more than an already war-active Obama (think Libya) would entertain. She opposed 0. She sounded downright crazy in her 2008 primary against Obama, criticizing him endlessly for even wanting to talk to Iran's leader ( "you want to sit down and have tea with a country we should be going to war with" or something). I remember watching her sit before the House Armed Services Committee in 2009 and crazy Mike Pence (now Governor of Indiana) was attacking Obama for being "weak on Iran". Hillary responded something like, "I made those same arguments with a passion for nearly a year, but he won and I lost". Thank God! Trump sounds more diplomatic at times than Hillary but other times he doesn't inspire confidence in his temperament. I have known lots of undocumented immigrants (including store owners) and I really hope he is joking about rounding them up. Your "armed" revolution part might be hyperbole, but he sure does promise to turn arms on 10 million plus residents (out of 320 million).
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anglagard Member (Idle past 866 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined:
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Theodoric writes: Amazing how so many people express the idea that they do not think the ballot box is a legitimate way to express their political will. It is amazing that violence has so many advocates. I was in my GP doctor's waiting room a few month's ago when some people next to me welcomed the pastor coming out of the examination rooms. After a few minutes discussing the latest talking points on Fox News concerning President Obama, a female parishioner stated "why doesn't somebody kill that man?" The pastor said nothing. This is what masquerades under the words patriot and Christian in too much of West Texas. Welcome to my world.Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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I was at my first visit to a diner in an Adirondack town a few months ago. I collect diners.
Obama was on the flat screen explaining some new initiative for kids. The man to my right asked, "Where's George Zimmerman when you need him?" "Out picking fights with unarmed teenagers," I replied. We had a tense conversation that never came to blows because it wasn't a bar. I haven't been back. Fortunately, the grill man was only fair. The same folks who feel free to express the most vicious racism "at home" will assure a larger public they don't have a racist bone in their body. So they must be jellyfish. Maybe worms."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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And if my choices are Clinton or Trump, I choose armed revolution. Interesting. This is something to keep in mind when we are discussing gun control with you. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Hyroglyphx writes:
When the last American shoots the second-last one, we Canadians are going to march in and take over. We will, of course, be unarmed.
And if my choices are Clinton or Trump, I choose armed revolution.
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LamarkNewAge Member Posts: 2424 Joined: Member Rating: 1.2 |
realclearpolitics.com
Clinton averages slightly better against Bushrealclearpolitics.com Clinton against Cruz (Cruz leads by 1.8%)realclearpolitics.com Clinton v Rubio (Rubio +3.0%)EvC Forum: Login Clinton is looking worse and worse. On balance, I would say this is the worst set of averages for her. Only a 2% average lead over Trump? !
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Strong believer in the Constitution I see. Amazing how so many people express the idea that they do not think the ballot box is a legitimate way to express their political will. It is amazing that violence has so many advocates. I was kidding about the armed revolution, but I was serious about polling. And please note that I was referring to popularity polls, not balloting. Polling is manipulative. Imagine how different voting would be without it creating self-fulfilling prophecies. Polling clearly influences people like some crazy herd instinct. What other people think about a candidate is irrelevant to what you think about them and their proposals. There's no way Trump would be where he is had no polls been conducted. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given."Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Hillary verses Trump does seem like a scary set of alternatives. Yeah, it's like choosing between Syphilis and Gonorrhea.
Hillary has been in Washington for 24 years now, under 3 different 8 year administrations, and you know how many wars she opposed? From 1993-2001? Answer is 0. From 2001-2009? The answer is 0. 2009-2017? She wanted to do a lot more than an already war-active Obama (think Libya) would entertain. She opposed 0. She's incredibly hawkish. She only bloviated about Iraq to get in step with her party, but she voted in favor of it. She tried to use double-speak to get out from under it, but no one is buying it. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
ringo writes: We will, of course, be unarmed. Our southern successors will not be."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Our southern successors will not be. They will, however, be fighting among themselves ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HtDNPIIOsMand Worker threw exception | www.rawstory.com | Cloudflare Does anyone else find this is getting like a Gilbert and Sullivan opera\comedy? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Does anyone else find this is getting like a Gilbert and Sullivan opera\comedy? I don't think there is anything comedic about this bunch of armed un-American clowns trying to steal public land that belongs to every American citizen.
I Stand with Linda Sue Beck: The Attack on Science at Malheur National Wildlife RefugeWhat if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Omnivorous writes:
We get along well with the Mexicans.
ringo writes:
Our southern successors will not be. We will, of course, be unarmed.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Oh I agree that they should be rounded up, prosecuted and jailed.
BUT their antics are comically inept (maybe 3 stooges is a better comparison), with competing groups to see who can be the bigger bozos. One of the problems facing law enforcement issues is that the "LEO's" are either sympathizers or members of these organizations, even at state and federal levels. The original Bundy "faceoff" was similarly let to wane without any arrests or prosecutions, and this just emboldens the nutcases. So they strut their hour upon the stage, while normal life proceeds. And the best way I deal with this nonsense is to treat it as comedy. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4451 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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Oh I agree that they should be rounded up, prosecuted and jailed. BUT their antics are comically inept (maybe 3 stooges is a better comparison), with competing groups to see who can be the bigger bozos. Dumb and Dumber, but with a sinister, nasty twist. It is like they are parodies of every evil industrialist, land baron, mine owner as portrayed by the villain in a hundred Hollywood potboilers. They don't respect or love the land......they are intentionally trying to despoil it. These people are armed and are intentionally trying to provoke a shoot-out. The Bundy that to be running the show explicitly said at the beginning that he came there to be shot if he isn't allowed to steal this public land. That sounds like a Jihadi to me. Their father should be in prison also. They were not just grazing illegally, they overgrazed and degraded PUBLIC LAND. They don't deserve to be Americans, but we're stuck with them. They are an embarrassment to the human race. They rant about the federal government while getting SBA loans and federal subsidies. To Faux Noise and right-wing radio, they are the standard bearers of the American dream, but the dream is a nightmare.
Going to Extremes: The anti-government extremism behind the growing movement to seize America’s public landsWhat if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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