Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

Yes it is an excellent movie, as it addresses both bigotry against "Native Americans" ( anyone with familiarity knows the native people here go by the name of the group, not some global affectation) and cultural value clash which leads to an interesting value-laden conclusion.Just as poetry was the primary form of communicating culture in Chaucer's time and plays were in Shakespeare's time so are motion pictures in our time. It is high art in some instances.Moose please help me out here. You have the best memory of all past posts, I can't seem to find my old movie thread with search engines, and I want to restart it as I have a few things to say.

Commenting on the nine African Americans killed by a known racist who proudly wore both the apartheid flags of South Africa and Rhodesia Jeb Bush said:

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Jeb Bush, who emphasized his conservative bona fides at the conference, was cautious when asked whether he thought the shooting was racially motivated.

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Looks like it to me it was, but we’ll find out all the information, Bush said Friday at the conference during a hallway interview, according to spokesman Tim Miller . It’s clear it was an act of raw hatred, for sure. Nine people lost their lives, and they were African American. You can judge what it is.

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sourceThis is after Dylann Roof said while murdering the victims:

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You are raping our women and taking over the country.

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Jeb Bush is either mentally slow or dishonest or most likely both.Contrast this with Bernie Sander's immediate response:

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The hateful killing of nine people praying inside a church is a horrific reminder that, while we have made significant progress in advancing civil rights in this country, we are far from eradicating racism.

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Meanwhile all other Republican candidates except for Ben Carson (wonder why?) can't even call this what it is - domestic terrorism incited by racism.To paraphrase one of the great intellectual giants of the Republican Party, Sarah Palin:So how's that minority outreach workin' out for ya?Edited by anglagard, : extraneous 'the'

I can blame a few previous administrations for the greatest disaster in the history of the USA, namely the Civil War (you know that little incident that cost more lives than any other war in US history). Franklin Pierce and James Buchanan left a mess Lincoln had to solve. IMHO they were definitely contenders for the worst president.Similarly, after inheriting a budget surplus from Clinton, Bush the lesser squandered it on tax cuts for his rich buddies at the expense of everyone else. To add insult to injury he also dramatically increased the deficit in two wars, one simply based on his 'daddy issues' and used to further raping the treasury by his buddies.Like Lincoln, Obama was left to clean up a mess left by his predecessors. The mess is not as damaging as the one Lincoln inherited therefore Obama will not be considered the greatest president, just among the better presidents.Compare this to Pierce, Buchanan and little Bush. Pierce and Buchanan are considered bad because they did nothing in the face of great crisis. Bush inherited a balanced budget, a secure and prosperous nation, and good will from even the likes of Russia. Bush did something about that by destroying all three.Verdict - worst president ever - tie between Buchanan and Bush the Terrible.Also, recently your posts are off-topic for this thread and even my response to this post is marginal at best. I have created a thread, Economics 101 - Evidence Based Decision Making which would be more appropriate for much of the content of your recent posts.

I was in my GP doctor's waiting room a few month's ago when some people next to me welcomed the pastor coming out of the examination rooms. After a few minutes discussing the latest talking points on Fox News concerning President Obama, a female parishioner stated "why doesn't somebody kill that man?"The pastor said nothing.This is what masquerades under the words patriot and Christian in too much of West Texas.Welcome to my world.

Yes, why risk stating slavery should not be extended to new territories when one could risk losing an election to Stephen Douglass. Why risk integrating the military when one could lose an election to Dewey and Thurmond. Why risk losing the southern vote for a generation to sign the Civil Rights Act. Why risk the welfare of your family to assassinate Hitler. Why risk standing up to Roman authorities when it could mean crucifixion.If you don't understand the answer, you have my pity but I will never support your cowardliness. Doing what is right may not be popular at the time, but it is still doing what is right. I take Hyroglyphx at his word because he has not given me a reason to doubt he is sincere. People change and hopefully improve over time and when they do, they generally deserve our forgiveness for any past transgressions.

As an army veteran in intelligence, I completely disagree with this statement as per my training and personal research. Torture only causes the victim to make any declaration regardless of veracity simply in order to make it stop.See Effectiveness of torture for interrogation for a brief introduction and pay particular attention to some of the references and external links.The use of torture is all about revenge and the hate/fear sociopathy of its supporters -- it is not about gathering useful intelligence. Yes, and I agree for apparently even stronger reasons than you do, but we agree anyway, likely because we both have more understanding and respect for those red words in the NT than many others who worship and are the victims of hate and fear.

WOWAre you at all familiar with the acronym WWJD (What Would Jesus Do?), Baptists sure know what it means.Are you actually arguing Jesus would agree with torture, you know, like crucifixion?Did we even read the same book?This is why I avoid you, but sometimes you make it impossible.

Hate and fear focus, is that all you get from the NT? Ignorance is a curable condition, libraries are free. Waterboarding is immoral because it serves no purpose other than to satisfy cruel revenge. As my father said "revenge is the emotion that promises the most and delivers the least." If someone supports immoral actions, I have every right to call them out on it. Your admittedly uninformed opinion does not seem to be shared by its victims. Your reputation for a complete lack of self-awareness is both legendary and well-deserved.I will now stop responding to your posts as it is as usual gradually becoming all about you and not about the subject at hand.Edited by anglagard, : add admittedlyEdited by anglagard, : Mispelled your

Please pardon this interruption in the ongoing drama.Trump has won the SC primary by around 33% compared to Cruz and Rubio at around 23%.Clinton tops Sanders 52- 48, guess those chains have to be released gradually lest the victim suffer too much shock.Bush is out as royal prerogative only appeals to democrats this season.Now back to the Faith show.Edited by anglagard, : Remove extraneous on -- it is difficult to type under low light conditions

I have seen a lot of deserved and severe criticism from Dronester about Hilary never seeing a war she doesn't like but none of Sanders for never seeing a war he does like -- did I miss something? I'm glad, there is no excuse for torture or killing POWs. I may not share your process in getting there, but I share your conclusions. I attacked Trump for supporting torture, to me it has nothing to do with PC and everything to do with acting like an honorable human being. I can't see voting for Clinton either but not because she is a socialist -- how could someone that indebted to Wall Street be considered a socialist? However I do agree with the criminal part. Well, if Sanders loses the nomination, I will likely vote for Gary Johnson. Like Hilary he may not do squat for income inequality but at least he will try to balance the budget instead of bust it with tax cuts for the rich as all republicans would. Also, he loves to put corrupt politicians in jail where they belong.So I give this post an upvote for your condemnation of torture and murder of POWs.Edited by anglagard, : change fir to for

I will not take down the cheer until you clearly state you support torture.Ball is in your court.

In the unlikely event that Trump is elected, and the far less likely event he actually follows through on his campaign promises, there is a slight problem.Remember Trump promised both waterboarding and worse, and also vowed to kill not only terrorists, but their families as well.Should Trump actually try to implement these policies he will lose the support of the military. Believe it or not the US military is made up of a rough cross section of society and not of remorseless automatons as some B- grade movies would have it. I was in the military, I know whereof I speak.But you don't have to take my word for it -- see this article and video.(tried direct kink to video, nothing but error messages)Skip to at around the 1:00 minute mark in video if pressed for time.Do you know what happens when a national leader loses the support if the military? Ask those dictators and some elected presidents can tell you -- provided they are still alive.Should Trump supporters achieve their goals, they may actually succeed in sort-of-electing the next two presidents -- Donald Trump and Provisional President General Joseph F. Dunford, Jr.

Do you remember the title and/or author of this book?

So according to you, the people who *actually* voted for Bush the Lesser are blameless for electing a contender for second worst President in history, instead it was all the fault of the few who voted for Nader.So not the fault of Bush the Incompetent voters, not the fault of an obsolete electoral college system, not the fault of a partisan Supreme Court -- the whole blame lies with Nader and his voters.Screw your cowardice and irrationality, I vote for what I believe in. If the majority did as I do, neither Clinton or Trump would be the nominee and Sanders would be the next President.Since I am true to my convictions, I will be voting for Jill Stein although for reasons I have mentioned before, Gary Johnson would also be a vastly better choice as well. However, since I believe climate change and income inequality are the most important issues if our time and Stein is the only one left who agrees, she has my vote.Because -- I vote for what I believe in and it is not hate and fear -- that is for Clinton and Trump supporters to embrace.If Clinton or Trump is elected and the next five wars cause several million deaths, the blood is on the hands of anyone who voted for them, not on anyone voting for Stein, Johnson, or Sanders.If you are ever called for jury duty, decline. You are clearly unqualified to assign guilt or innocence.Edited by anglagard, : Fix incomplete sentence

I appreciate your sentiments as well as I have been in a similar situation. One of the very few times I actually voted Republican was during the gubernatorial election between the hopelessly corrupt and stupid Democrat Bruce King, the Green candidate Roberto Mondragon and the Republican. I was set to vote for Mondragon until a poll right before the election indicated the front runners were tied, so just to keep King from winning I reluctantly voted for the Republican. Turns out that Republican was Gary Johnson, who balanced the budget by vetoing every pork-laden special interest bill to cross his desk and had every bribe-taking politician he could find indicted and convicted, including the head of the State Senate. Best vote I ever made for a winning candidate.Hopefully Clinton will be a similar surprise, but I doubt it. It appears her default position is to kill the innocent by the bushel-full for the crime of being born in a foreign nation or offending United Fruit by electing a Democratic Socialist, as was the case in Honduras. I foresee a five war minimum, with all money taken from the 99% to fund these wars as an excuse to reward Wall Street and military contractors for their kickbacks.I hope I am wrong but evidence from her past behavior is not in favor of a different outcome.Since I live in Texas, the land where the only thing keeping the turd which they call a brain from falling out of their big stupid mouths is the fact that coprolite is stuck (there are exceptions, including the rare intellectual and Austin for example), my choice is easier. The vast majority of Texans will vote for Trump because they enjoy inflicting misery on others and their favorite candidate Charlie Manson did not make parole again.So I think I understand the difficult moral dilemma most voters face but I have many reasons for my uncompromising stand beyond what is stated here. Two often cited reasons, the first rational, the second just an excuse for not voting your conscience. What prevents a person from voting progressive in all races other than a lack of candidates? What I do in this ugly state is vote against Republicans by voting for anyone else or not voting at all if running unopposed unless they give me a good reason to vote Republican (see Gary Johnson example above). For the record, I actually did vote for Obama in 2008 but since my vote in Texas -- a traitor state -- does not count and I am against interrupting wedding receptions with hellfire missile strikes, I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012. A vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. The only way I can see myself voting for Clinton is if her VP is Elizabeth Warren or someone of similar attributes like your very own governor. At least I would be voting for someone even if secondary rather than voting for less, but still, evil.I hope Hillary can be forced to have human empathy but I have severe reservations. What I don't want is to see thousands or millions of dead men, women, and children offered as sacrifices to her ego, donors, and the almighty war machine. I do not want to be in a position where I see all these mutilated bodies and say "yes, I voted for that to happen."Perhaps being a veteran makes me despise warmongers. It is a trait more common among us than the general population, seeing what it does to people wounded either psychologically or physically or both.My reply to Lammy was primarily disgust at the irrationality of blaming Nader voters for the Presidency of Bush the Dullard when the blame lies solely with anyone stupid enough to vote for that immoral moron. I will not vote for evil unless there is some hope of being countered by good (see Warren example above).That's just how I roll.Edited by anglagard, : Eliminate double the