Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

Indeed, part of my rhetoric strategy was to show how upset Faith gets about minor issues such as cake baking and predicting she would object to forced labour against a person's religious conscience. Unfortunately she seems to think that ignoring a Jew's religious conscience is fine if they are an enemy, with some later references to actions of a State. This is peculiar given Faith's objections about the religious problems of other State actions and laws.Nevertheless, she seems happy to support someone who said we should act more like ISIS or we will be thought of as weak, that our executions should be designed to cause religious outrage throughout the whole world so as to prevent terrorism. It is a little concerning to see Faith, and his supporters, be either fine with this or find it amazing. The veracity of the tale, the historical claims that followed it are one thing, the rambling manner of its delivery another - but the message?"We need to go way beyond simulated drowning because the head choppers are laughing at us for being pussies".I could understand GWB's appeal, to an extent. But Trump, I cannot comprehend. Not unless RWA type theories are onto something strong. Trying to get someone like Faith to at least understand why people are upset by Trump beyond her typical dismissive nonsense of leftist marxist warped brain pcness is my best attempt at the topic. I hope that since the government making laws that affect the religious conscience of individuals is something that Faith feels very strongly about, I thought this the perfect topic for getting Faith to see (though probably not necessarily agree) with an opposing moral stance. Exactly. Where acts such as this have occurred (and I expect they have, even if the specific tale is untrue), they are done out of malice. Out of hatred. They are not actions delivered by State policy. They are individuals deciding to impede the progress of their own duties by taking additional steps simply to say 'fuck you' to people they hate by trying to outrage their religious sentiments.If Obama did it to Christian prisoners, Faith would be telling us all about it - I'm sure. It must be kind of scary when someone saying this kind of nonsense isn't delivering a speech the next day announcing their retirement from the race. True, the issue is that if he only stays at about 1/3 share of the voting it means he's going to be a contender to the end...so the world may have to be biting finger nails for a good while yet. I'm hoping that Trump continues to find people to alienate so that he picks up as few of those voters as possible.What would be fascinating is to see if Trump can say anything which his base finds too far.Building a new Berlin Wall, religious discrimination, wanting the government to tyrannically impose policies that serve no purpose but to outrage many Muslims as a anti-terror strategy, more torture, violating religious sensibilities with glee? Showing a complete ignorance of basic Christianity? Insulting NATO allies. No? Nothing?Decry the Iraq war as a terribly costly decision that was responsible for the destabilizatoin of the Middle East and was based on lies. But not properly torturing the people of Iraq while we were there was a mistake too? I would have thought calling Dubya a liar who cost the lives of Da Troopz for no reason other than to make it all worse and destroy the economy might have gotten more than a few boos. I suppose promising to torture people regardless of the legality of any war is just to sweet a deal to pass up?

A noble goal. But an impossible one I think. I suspect that your approach is far better than mine, so I'm not going to offer you any more advice.

What should be the reaction from other nations to such a candidate and even more to the support shown for such positions?Edited by jar, : fix sub-titleEdited by jar, : spell the sub-title right

I'm guessing there's at least a million dead Iraqis who don't share your optimism in a Hillary\O'Malley ticket.I guess it is easy to wholly disregard Iraqi viewpoints because they are dark-skinned 'foreigners' whom apparently have no value. It seems to me this is exactly the type of criminal apathy which led to the ease of invading another country, ultimately precipitating the creation of ISIL, and then re-voting for the exact same mindsets.However, as a hopeful reminder, here is EXACTLY what a Hillary victory looks like to the Iraqis (multiply by about 100,000): Basing an ethical decision on, CONFIRMED ACTIONS of a war criminal/mass murderer (Hillary) and any of the UNEVIDENCED WORDS that Republican blowhard candidates use during a temporary competition to spout the most outrageous pus to attract the most hateful of voters, seems to be a fool's errand.Under these conditions, choosing the lesser of evil guarantees, in the end, that the winner is surely evil.To repeat, I believe ALL war criminals/mass murderers should be tried under international law, and definitely not be elected to office.

__________________________________________________ hypocrisy
n. pl. hypocrisies
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

Do you have anything better to do than troll?

Good for Dronestar, the only one here facing down the Democrats.As for the Republicans I guess I have to admit there isn't anybody I can vote for. Trump needs to correct his errors and apparently he isn't going to: that is he can't support killing POWs if he knows that's what that story is about. The official position on waterboarding makes it clear he shouldn't be supporting that and should take it back. And so on. So you've convinced me on those points.I like the positions taken by many of the Republicans but in every case there are reasons I can't vote for them in the end. Too bad. It looked pretty good at first with so many apparently solidly conservative people running. Before that lineup developed I assumed we'd get Hillary for President who'd take the nation farther down the road to ruin, because there wouldn't be any good Republican candidates. But a lot of good ones showed up . Then it turns out none of them is up to the job for various reasons. I still don't know everything about all of them and I realize none of them deserves my vote.Nevertheless I object to the PC grounds on which the leftists here attack Trump, that hasn't changed.I would never vote for a socialist and Clinton is a criminal as well as a socialist.So that takes care of that.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

By the time the primaries roll around to me, I'm betting the Dems will already have decided who's going up against Trump in the general election.Since our primaries are now open, I'll guess I'll cast a fuck 'em vote for the presidency. And nobody ever goes up against my House rep, so I guess it's just the senate seat I'll have to cast a real vote.

Should be? Difficult to say. There has been an unprecedent level of commentary made by politicians about US primary candidates. Specifically Trump. This seems appropriate. He is showing that he can't play international politics. Which, as a US President would seem to be important. It is good that many leaders, and senior politicians in Europe are speaking up. Hopefully enough Republican voters will decide that national security is more than torturing Muslims and burying them in pig fat and also involves having a good relationship with NATO et al. Something Trump has failed at spectacularly to demonstrate any skills with at every round of this job interview.Still, his core voters probably don't care that European political leaders are happy to go on public record as saying he is 'ill-informed', 'ignorant', 'racist' and so on. They seem to have happily ignored the fears of the likes of Irene Weiss, holocaust survivor. It seems Hitler was an inoculation for dangerous demagoguery, but it seems that America needs a booster shot.

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I’m scared. I don’t like the trend. I don’t like how many people are applauding when they hear these demagogues. It can turn., Irene Weiss

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But when Obama gives a speech in Germany and the crowd applauds - this is like Hitler. When a charismatic leader blames the countries problems on foreigners and vows to take extreme measures to foreigners to make the fatherland great again....this doesn't register....For us powerless people - we continue to find American politics entertaining. So that's something. Most Europeans can talk about US politics better than vice versa - but even sometimes better than they can about their own politics. I guess what I'm saying is that US politics is reality TV for educated Europeans

As a powerful person, I find it embarrassingly pathetic; so I get how that could entertain you. That y'all care more about ours' than your own, though, is ridiculous.

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Here's an earlier Schaeffer post on Trump, and perhaps a bit more informative: An open letter to the Republican establishment leadership

I have seen a lot of deserved and severe criticism from Dronester about Hilary never seeing a war she doesn't like but none of Sanders for never seeing a war he does like -- did I miss something? I'm glad, there is no excuse for torture or killing POWs. I may not share your process in getting there, but I share your conclusions. I attacked Trump for supporting torture, to me it has nothing to do with PC and everything to do with acting like an honorable human being. I can't see voting for Clinton either but not because she is a socialist -- how could someone that indebted to Wall Street be considered a socialist? However I do agree with the criminal part. Well, if Sanders loses the nomination, I will likely vote for Gary Johnson. Like Hilary he may not do squat for income inequality but at least he will try to balance the budget instead of bust it with tax cuts for the rich as all republicans would. Also, he loves to put corrupt politicians in jail where they belong.So I give this post an upvote for your condemnation of torture and murder of POWs.Edited by anglagard, : change fir to for

Ah well, nothing lasts. I fought not to accept all the accusatons here but finally gave in. Now it turns out I was wrong to give in, at least on the story of the pigs blood. Whatever may or may not be true about the story, they weren't POWs that were executed. LF: Trump tells FAKE story about US Army General torturing and executing 49 Muslims with bullets dipped in 'pig's blood' as example of how best to deal with terrorism - and his audience laps it up It's a leftist anti-Trump website but I believe this comment myself: Never once heard it was false until the left started going after Trump.Of course. That's what I expected would turn out to be the case.Why wouldn't any lefties raise a question about this.Oh there was also a picture of the back of a woman wearing a shirt that reads "Make racism great again" and it doesn't even occur to the website that she's obviously an infiltrator.Duh.Sorry anglagard, guess you should take down the Cheer.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.