Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

Everyone lies. Bernie lies. Hillary lies. Obama lies. I lie. You lie. Everybody lies.What's important is what the end goals are and how do we get there. Sure, I like Bernie's end goals, but I don't think how he's getting there is effective enough to win the election for sure. I'm not saying he won't win a general election. But it's on shaky ground that i don't want to risk it.But really, I don't mind that Obama has lied in the past. When he was a rising star as a Senator, I read as much as I could about him and came to the conclusion that he didn't really mean it when he kept repeating marriage is between a man and a woman. There were a lot of other things I realized about him that he didn't publically admit. If any president was going to get rid of DADT and kill the military's ban on gay soldiers, it was Obama. What do you know, I was right.Honesty sounds nice to the ears. Just like how everybody claims to like nice guys. But in the end, nice guys always finish last. Believe me, I know.Between Hillary and Bernie, I think Hillary will do a lot better with moderates than Bernie. And that's what counts. In the general election, the moderates will rule the day. Not the conservatives or liberals.EditOh yeah, I don't believe you've changed. Nobody that extreme can change. You're either a wolf in sheep's clothing or you've moved on to hating another group. Who is it? The native americans? Or may be the mexicans? Star wars fanatics? Or may be the Vulcans? Edited by Lammy, : No reason given.

It's just as wrong to translate "illegal immigrants are going to have rapists among them and I happen to know of cases of rape by illegal immigrants" into "Illegal Mexican immigrants are rapists." The "LOL" only makes the logical gaffe more glaring. I hesitate to even try to correct someone who thinks I made a "sweeping allegation" because it shows such a hopeless failure of careful reading. Perhaps if I suggested that you simply reread the statement you are calling a sweeping allegation? Like a dozen times?I'm afraid I didn't read much of your exchange with Lammy so I can't entertain any comparisons there.But Trump is definitely not PC and your argument here is. Among other things that make it even worse than PC.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Faith, I think you should address what Trump actually said rather than what you wish he'd said. Christian charity is, I'm sure, a fine thing, but when you alter the facts in order to think well of Donald Trump you are taking it too far.

One could make the argument that Hillary's insistence on lying could cost her the presidential vote. What would you to say in that regard? I think Hillary looks much riskier on paper than Bernie. They are going to claw her eyes out in the general election. They have so much ammunition against her whereas all they have on Bernie is that he's an admitted Socialist. I do agree with your assessment that polls tend to reflect more fringe followers than they do depict an accurate portrayal of moderates who are on the fence and awaiting more evidence to make an informed decision. I'm not sure Hillary will get the moderate vote. Had Bernie pushed for his original outlandish goal of taxing the rich at 90%, yeah, that wouldn't fly. But he toned it down to a more realistic tax rate. I kind of hate hipsters and emo kids. There, I said it. The truth has set me free.

Meh, I hate hipsters and emos, too.

You're only using the conservative version of what "PC" means (anything remotely liberal must therefore be pandering Political Correctness). You evidently don't even know what that term actually means. I abhor political correctness. I think what you meant to say is that I'm looking more like a liberal to you than I do a conservative... and that annoys you.

Yes, why risk stating slavery should not be extended to new territories when one could risk losing an election to Stephen Douglass. Why risk integrating the military when one could lose an election to Dewey and Thurmond. Why risk losing the southern vote for a generation to sign the Civil Rights Act. Why risk the welfare of your family to assassinate Hitler. Why risk standing up to Roman authorities when it could mean crucifixion.If you don't understand the answer, you have my pity but I will never support your cowardliness. Doing what is right may not be popular at the time, but it is still doing what is right. I take Hyroglyphx at his word because he has not given me a reason to doubt he is sincere. People change and hopefully improve over time and when they do, they generally deserve our forgiveness for any past transgressions.

This makes no sense.It's like insurance. The whole point of having insurance is you pay into the system and if something happens you are protected. I can't just crash my car and then buy insurance expecting the insurance company to pay for the damages. As far as I'm concern, he was vehemently against my rights as a human being. I take it personally. He's just a random character online, but it's affected me enough that I've been carrying his words in me for years.As soon as I saw nemesis juggernaut as one of his aliases, I knew it was him who wrote all those vile things about people like me.What's worse, he's a corrections officer. Oden knows what's he's doing with his bigotry since he has power over others.But whatever... mark my words, he hasn't changed. Haters never do. I've been dealing with them all my life. Unless he was an angry teenager back then... which I doubt...Edited by Lammy, : No reason given.

I'm not sure why I've become the focal point. I haven't even announced my candidacy yet!If I said vile things about you at one point, I am not aware of what it might be since I don't recall ever meeting you. It says you joined in 2015, so unless you were using a different handle in the past, I couldn't have said vile things to you specifically.You mentioned that you were a lurker and perhaps you read things that I wrote about homosexuals in general that could be considered vile? I don't know, that was a long time ago. If I have ever said anything vile to you, let me be the first to apologize for it. Again, I don't have specifics so I'm not sure what it is I've said or done, but if I ever said anything to demean you as a person, I apologize and certainly would like to make amends if you are willing to accept it.As for my job, I take it seriously, act professionally, and give the inmates their dignified respect without regard to the crimes they've been indicted for.As to me being a hater that never changes... it's up to you to think whether or not I've changed for the better or worse or whether I've changed at all. It's funny, if you ask Faith, I was phony back then. If I ask you, I was being real back then but am a phony now. You can choose to believe this or not, but I was sincere then and I am sincere now. The beliefs have changed over time, but the sincerity has remained. The one thing that hasn't changed is that I have spoken my mind freely and without much of a filter. I'd like to think that I am basically the same person in most regards, but my views on many different issues have evolved over time. Some have stayed the same, others have changed. But I have been open, honest and sincere throughout, for better or worse.If you ever doubt that, please remember that I have openly admitted that I was wrong about a lot of sincerely held beliefs. It is a humiliating prospect to admit when you are wrong after vociferously arguing the point for years, and I have tried to always own up to it. To save face I could have changed my identity and persona completely. But I didn't. I owned it... publicly. Hopefully that might offer some indication to my sincerity, if it is still in question. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.Edited by Hyroglyphx, : Edit to add

Hyro, if you wanted to become an MP for the part of the country I live in, I certainly would vote for you! You're honest.

It does a lot to me. People change as they experience different circumstances.

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He-he-he. Don't be so bad on him. The Republicans should actually appoint Trump or Cruz as official candidates. That would ensure that either Hillary or Bernie will most definitely become President of the US.

Meant Cut off.
Cut off your nose to spite your face.Yes, your inflammatory comments, photos and videos show how outraged you are. In a sense it is no different than the faux outrage we see from the right. You rail about these injustices but do not see that we need to get the ship to turn in order to make the changes. Hillary Clinton is not a great choice, but she is a good choice. SHe can be the instrument of a lot of good change for the people of the United States and people around the world. But alas, as everyone, she is far from perfect.So if Hillary Clinton is the Dem nominee, will you protest her candidacy? Will you support the Republican candidate? Will you take your ball and go home?Righteous indignation is well and good, but unless you can actually do something to effect the change it is no different than masturbation.