Yes, in some sense I've been more or less living under a rock as far as this political contest goes.
So in other words your accusation was basically of guilt by association. White supremacists apparently like something about Trump even though he hasn't supported any white supremacist positions, and you don't care what in particular they may happen to like, their support makes Trump one of them in your mind.
Let me guess: they probably like his stand on illegal immigration and investigating the refugees before deciding whether to admit them or not, and you turn his sensible security recommendations into racism, as PC always does.
And this pastor who clearly preaches against homosexuality as sin advocates prosecution of unrepentant homosexuals -- not murder as your phrase implies -- and Cruz is held responsible for that ONE over-the-top recommendation. [abe: turns out he doesn't even believe in doing this after all. See next post./abe]
Look at it this way. Suppose at a party, someone comes to you and shakes your hand. Then he says "I hate Native Americans, I think they should all be sent to death camps. Faith agrees with me, don't you, Faith?"
You remain silent and later on tells everyone you welcome this person's endorsement.
What am I suppose to think?
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I just noticed you tried to downplay Kevin Swanson's words on this issue.
Listen to what this wacko said on stage.
He's willing to go to jail for it. Are you going to lie thru your teeth and tell us he didn't really mean it?
Also notice they're clapping their hands while he was yelling.
With Trump, we'll start with this little beauty: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. ... And some, I assume, are good people."
Give me some time for more - I'm just about to eat, so I'll come back later. (Others, please pile in).
I'll pile in. No sane society has ever let people into their country illegally, and legal entrance has always required them to meet certain standards of cultural compatibility at least, and general desirability on moral and other grounds, until this current generation which is corrupted by postmodernism and PC and now thinks it's wonderful to let anyone into the country whether they fit in or not, add criminality or any other social detriment to threaten the social fabric.
I know I'm talking to the deaf of course, who can't wait for the west to be destroyed and the world to be run by the barbarians.
"cut of your NOSE ....?" Gee, I am uncertain about the last part.
Maybe this Saudi woman from catastrophic human-rights-violating-nation whom Hillary enthusiastically accepts "contributions" can assist you. She seems to be 'distracted' at the moment, but I think the beginning goes something like . . . "cut off your HEAD . . ."
I guess this photo is kinda funny because she is a dark-skinned foreigner. Afterall, amerikan voters don't consider them to be people, . . . right Theo?
No, I would vocally object to anyone who said something so racist to me. That is a false comparison to being politically supported for one's NONracist opinions by people who may misconstrue them racially.
Thanks for the clip of Swanson. Funny, he's not even advocating the death penalty for unrepentant homosexuality is he? And he goes on to make it clear that homosexuality is in the same class of sin as heterosexual sins such as adultery and fornication and addiction to pornography, sins rampant in America and a major reason the nation is under God's judgment, all sins for which he is ALSO not recommending the death penalty. He is emphasizing that such sins, being "worthy of death" destine a person to Hell, and that what is needed is repentance. Of course ANY unrepentant sin destines a person to Hell, lies, thefts, all of it, but he's particularly focusing on how the sexual sins are rampant and bringing down God's judgment on the NATION.
Why would you turn this perfectly standard biblical preaching into a threat to kill gays? He's saying sin brings God's judgment, he's not threatening any human form of judgment at all. He hopes gays and adulterers and all the rest of us sinners will understand that we are in violation of God's law and looking a scary eternity in the eyeballs, but that if we repent we can be saved.
You miss the point Faith. The charming Trump is attributing negative attributes to Mexicans.
There are gits in this world - I have no doubt of that. But the colour of their skin, or their country of origin, or their faith, or their gender, or their sexuality has nothing to do with their being a git. To determine whether they're a git, we should look at their words and actions.
And when it comes to their words, there's none bigger a git, than Don.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
You miss the point Faith. The charming Trump is attributing negative attributes to Mexicans.
I don't read it that way. People who self-select themselves are going to be a motley crew wherever they are from, and certainly the unsuccessful and criminal are going to be among them. You can complain that Trump paints with a broad brush but you can't dismiss his general point as incorrect.
I have no doubt that there are, amongst the Mexican immigrants to your country, some awful people. I have no doubt that amongst the existing native population of the US, there are some equally awful people. But Donny is trying to tar every single immigrant with the same brush. He's appealing to people's fears, tribalism, hatred and prejudices - people's negativity - the opposite of people's love, that Jesus spoke to.
Let people come to the States - it's been the shining beacon of the hope and positivity that the US has represented to the world - and trust in your law enforcement agencies to weed out the bad apples - just as you trust them to with your native population.
(Native from the 1600's of course - before then, you have to be Native American, to qualify as truly native - the vast majority of your population are immigrants on that analysis).
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
I doubt the various quotes will work. Why? Christians usually deny their hate is hate. Trump can come right out and say "death to all people of color" and they would still deny he's racist.
Nothing Trump has said that I've heard is racist. His objections to illegal immigration are not racist, his objections to admitting refugees without investigating them are not racist.
The only hate speech here is yours where you insist on misrepresenting people as racist who aren't, and accusing a preacher of advocating "killing gays" who said nothing of the sort.
No no no and a million times no back to you. Nothing Trump said tars all Mexicans. He's tarring ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION itself. Using the PC term "immigration" is wrong wrong wrong and a million times wrong, the term is ILLEGAL immigration. The US should have the right to decide who enters the country, and the right to deport those who have entered illegally, as ANY SANE NATION HAS. Yes we've got enough criminals of our own, thank you very much, to have some stake in keeping out somebody else's criminals, and WANTING TO KNOW WHO IS A CRIMINAL AND WHO IS NOT.
There is no "shining beacon of hope" offered to illegals and never has been. What a vicious piece of propaganda PC has saddled us with there.
If he is targeting illegal immigration, why does he say "they're rapists" ?
Probably because he knows of cases of rape by illegals? And he expects rapists and other criminals to be among illegals. (Which certainly should be a ticket back to Mexico, don't you think or does PC say be nice to the rapists cuz they're just people too, along with drug lords and murderers and whatnot?), but it would be nice if off-the-cuff political speech came with detailed footnotes so we could know exactly what he meant.
One thing I should have said is that while I don't think anything he's saying is racist, I do think he's making a point about Mexican culture, which is known to be corrupt at many levels, starting with the government, riddled with drug mobsters, as well as productive of a horrific level of poverty maintained by the corrupt culture. The culture does not foster the virtues that built America. (Of course we don't any more either so might as well let them take us down with them, eh?} It is no wonder people want to leave the place, and that includes people who would be good citizens, but again the US SHOULD CHOOSE, not the illegals themselves.
By the way I don't think Trump is "charming." I don't really know what to think of the guy. As a personality he sets my teeth on edge, I don't know what he's going to do next. His facial expressions are hard to watch, but he says stuff conservatives believe that nobody else says as pointedly as he does. I had one moment of really liking the guy, and that was when Ben Carson was stranded in the entrance hall to the stage for a recent debate and other candidates kept going past him, and only Trump stopped to give him support in his humiliating situation.
You miss the point Faith. The charming Trump is attributing negative attributes to Mexicans. There are gits in this world - I have no doubt of that. But the colour of their skin, or their country of origin, or their faith, or their gender, or their sexuality has nothing to do with their being a git. To determine whether they're a git, we should look at their words and actions.
NOR HAS TRUMP SAID ANYTHING ABOUT color of skin, faith gender, sexuality.
The country of origin, does, however, bear on the question of cultural compatibility.
ABE: Also one's "faith" does bear on the question too, since Muslim beliefs for instance are completely incompatible with western beliefs.
In another post you said we should let our law enforcement people deal with the criminal element., Thanks a lot. Law enforcement is pretty beleaguered this country now as it is, or haven't you been reading the headlines let alone the EvC posts on the subject? AND it costs money to deal with criminals. Why should we want ILLEGAL ALIEN CRIMINALS here to tax our already overburdened system? NO SANE SOCIETY ACCEPTS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Start there.
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