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The Huffington Post describes a political relationship between the right wing and the Muslims but it's the Muslims dong the violence.

Algemeiner cites the rise of the far right as a cause for concern, and even leaving - in the reticle I linked to previously Neo-Nazis on the Rise in Europe, Jews | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.comNeo-nazis are certainly linked to violence EU migrant crisis: Arrival of refugees in Germany 'fuelling rise in neo-Nazi violence' | World | News | Express.co.ukReally, are you suggesting that heo-Nazi's AREN'T violent anti-Semites ?Or that Jewish concern over the far right doesn't exist when Jewish sources say otherwise ?

Just skimming the Newsweek article you mentioned (Exodus: Why Europe's Jews Are Fleeing Once Again), it does seem to indicate a significant role for Islam in Jews fleeing Europe, particularly France:

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Many western Muslim communities are suffering an identity crisis, says Hussain. The politics of hate offers an easy escape and a means of blaming personal feelings on others. In many cases it resonates with the life experiences of young Muslims. They feel alienated and disenfranchised, due to negative experiences, personal inadequacies or even cultural differences.
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The murders have not dampened anti-Jewish hatred. On the contrary, they seem to have inflamed it. The spike in anti-Semitism has seen emigration to Israel soar. In 2011 and 2012 just under 2,000 French Jews emigrated to Israel.

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In 2013, the year after the Toulouse attack, 3,289 left. In the first quarter of this year 1,778 Jews emigrated. This year I expect 5-6,000 Jews to leave, says Cukierman. If they move to Israel because of Zionism, it’s OK. But if it is because of fear, then that is not pleasant. The problem is that democracy is not well equipped to fight against terrorism. What we saw in Toulouse and Brussels is terrorism.

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Speaking generally to the thread, most persecution and prejudice isn't overtly visible but is just a thousand little cuts. One goes where the future is brightest, and Jews in Europe feel the future dimming. The allusion to WWII is no accident. In Germany Jewish hatred was fueled and encouraged by Nazism's harsh, ruthless and violent practices, but government is only one tool of prejudice. Just being in some group's gun sights diminishes one's human value. Living safe and sound someplace far from the problem we can say that Europeans have a moral obligation to stand united behind their fellow citizens who happen to be Jews, but if we were living in France with a Jewish family next door would we wish them gone to protect our own safety?--Percy

I'm saying the same thing over and over: the Jews are said to be moving to Israel, and say themselves that they are moving to Israel because of Islamic attacks on them.Worries about the right wing may add to the decision but they aren't the reason for it according to all the reports. The right wing may be known to be violent but in the context of why Jews are leaving France in the last few years that has not been a cause no matter how hard you work to make it into a cause, it just doesn't happen to be a cause. It is Muslim attacks that are the cause.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Boy are the Jews stupid.Really stupid."Hey, since the Muslim kids burned some cars let's pack up and move our asses right into the middle of the Muslim world where we will definitely be a minority. Let's not move to Canada; let's all go get right in the frying pan."

You have provided nothing that supports this. Articles are claiming this but no one has supplied even one iota of evidence that this is a main reason. It very well may be true but you have supplied absolutely no data to show it is.Like most things you spout I assume it is false until you provide evidence to support. Since you never provide evidence... well we all know the rest.

Faith, my point was that you mentioned Muslim ant-semitism and you mentioned left-wing anti-semitism, yet you did not mention right wing anti-semitism even though there is genuine concern about it in the Jewish community.Algemeiner on the rise of the far right in Europe: So why didn't you mention it and why not as it that you should have mentioned it ?

I didn't mention it because it hadn't been given as a reason for the move to Israel, only the Muslim attacks, the synagogue burnings and so on. It didn't even cross my mind. It's a factor I see now but not a big one for some reason. I mentioned the Left wing version because I'm very aware of it since I receive Messianic Jewish news reports about Left wing hatred of Israel. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Followers of Messianic Judaism are by definition not Jews.It is just a cynical attempt to proselytize to Jewish people. Jews worldwide have rejected this version of apocalyptic christianity. The ones I have met are smarmy, duplicitous snakes. Worse than evangelicals aand just as dangerous.

All of Judaism is Messianic, just that they all know that so far there have only been failed messiahs.

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I didn't mention it because it hadn't been given as a reason for the move to Israel, only the Muslim attacks, the synagogue burnings and so on.

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Apart from the fact that it had been - at least if you had bothered to read the Algemeiner article.

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It didn't even cross my mind. It's a factor I see now but not a big one for some reason. I mentioned the Left wing version because I'm very aware of it since I receive

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In other words you just didn't think about it. You could have admitted as much without arguing. Though it's quite bizarre that you'll think about Hitler and Nazis when you want to silence opposing opinions or attack Obama, but not when talking about European Jews.

Pew Research has an article on Europe's Muslim population: 5 facts about the Muslim population in Europe | Pew Research CenterAt 20 million-ish, Muslims were roughly 6% in 2010 and projected to hit 8% in 2030.By my math, assuming all Muslims are anti-Semitic (extreme example), then to get the 40% anti-Semitic for all Europe means roughly 35% of other Europeans are.An article referenced by another Pew Research article is from the New York Times on Jews leaving France. Fear on Rise, Jews in France Weigh an Exit - The New York TimesThe NYT article discusses how the Jews are leaving due to the Muslim extremist attacks in France and the fear of more. So while Muslims are a small percentage of the European population, Jews in France perceive Muslims are more of a threat than anti-Semitics in general.In my searching I found a Duke University study. The title asks a good question - Why so rare? Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security -With 20 million Muslims in Europe and 3.3 million in the US, if terror was acceptable, expected, whatever to the Muslims then wouldn't some percentage of their population be involved? The Duke study lists less than 200 actively involved which works out to 0.006% of US Muslims.According to the Duke study (pg 471 bottom), US Muslims are as middle class as US in general and more integrated than the European Muslims. Is Muslim violence like much of the violence in the US coming from perceived poverty and alienation from the dominant culture? I could see where adding a religious aspect would provide a target for violence rather than just mugging whoever is available.

Are you trying to say that the majority of the Muslim population is made up of normal human kinda people?Well, who'da thunk.

It's Islam the religion that is "anti-Semitic" and that's not really a useful term for it. Not Muslims as such. You are missing the point. To take the west for Allah requires the building up of the population to a certain level. That hasn't happened yet. Most of the Muslims themselves are probably not aware of this plan, but it is spelled out by a variety of Muslim leaders, which is what I want to show from the book I've ordered. Turns out it won't get here until Friday.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Let's hope the book provides more than the usual unsupported assertions, innuendo and quote mining. If it's just more of the usual Faith, don't waste our time with it.If it does happen to actually have some evidence then it might be of passing interest.