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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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Correction: a self-described social democrat A pointless correction, both since Pressie was not wrong,
quote: and since 'social democrat' is a subset of socialist, as most people use the words. Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Nope. His owns words:
I am a socialist and everyone knows that.
Sanders said that responding to an ad that tried to link him to the regime of Fidel Castro. His response was:
They also understand that my kind of democratic socialism has nothing to do with authoritarian communism. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined: |
So far, the following have dropped out after the Iowa caucus on the Republican side:
Rand PaulMike Huckabee Rick Santorum That still leaves: Donald TrumpTed Cruz Marco Rubio Ben Carson Jeb Bush Carly Fiorina John Kasich Chris Christie Interestingly, Rand Paul got more votes than Bush yet he still dropped out. I wonder how long before the 'establishment' Republicans start shifting their money towards Rubio, as he looks to be the best choice out of the remaining pack that has a chance and isn't completely bonkers. Chris Christie was also second to last. I am guessing he is on thin ice as well. Which isn't a good thing considering how heavy he is.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined:
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To be honest.. he says 'democratic socialist'
PolitiFact | Bernie Sanders socialist or democratic socialist?
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
mmmm that's some good schadenfreude there
Jeb Bush Gives Up on Winning, Begs Voters for Something More Realistic: Please Clap"
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined:
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She just doesn't have that non-academic X-factor.
I agree, and when she tries it seems very forced and unnatural for her Just as you wouldn't want to be operated on by a surgeon with half a brain, you shouldn't want to be governed by someone whose only merit is having the X-factor. Why not go for someone who is, I don't know, competent for the job? It makes the choice a lot easier, because it rules out almost all of the current contenders. But that's seemingly not how it works in your country. Anyway, whatever happens, I really, really, REALLY implore you Americans to muster the good sense NOT to give the job to the clown Donald Trump. The world is already in a sorry state, we really don't need a foul mouthed, bigoted, racist, pompous, egomaniacal idiot in a position to make matters worse. In fact, compared to Trump, even having someone like George W. Bush again would be a blessing. So, please America, I beg of you, choose anyone but Trump."Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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To be honest.. he says 'democratic socialist' Which is interesting, because as the terms are traditionally used in western European politics 'democratic socialist' does not sound like a milder and less intimidating form of socialism. Socialist political parties and factions (excluding those advocating armed revolution) were generally divided into two categories - social democrats, who wanted to use government intervention to ameliorate the ills of capitalism; and democratic socialists, who wanted to use the ballot box to abolish capitalism peacefully. I'm not sure that's what he really means.
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ooh-child Member (Idle past 373 days) Posts: 242 Joined: |
Interestingly, Rand Paul got more votes than Bush yet he still dropped out. He's got to defend his senate seat. It'd be great to put a democrat in that position, but I think he has a challenger in the primary. Bush doesn't have anything better to do, apparently.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Trump wants the Iowa caucuses to be done again because Cruz cheated and because Trump is an impotent petulant cry-baby loser.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Which is interesting, because as the terms are traditionally used in western European politics 'democratic socialist' does not sound like a milder and less intimidating form of socialism. Socialist political parties and factions (excluding those advocating armed revolution) were generally divided into two categories - social democrats, who wanted to use government intervention to ameliorate the ills of capitalism; and democratic socialists, who wanted to use the ballot box to abolish capitalism peacefully. I'm not sure that's what he really means. Let's see what Mr Sanders has to say: Bernie Sanders Channels FDR To Explain What 'Democratic Socialism' Means To Him | HuffPost Latest News
quote: And he has compared his policies to those in some nordic nations, like Denmark. Social democracy - Wikipedia
quote: Sounds a lot like his positions that he has been advocating for years. He also says that getting elected President will not be enough (for any democrat) to ensure that these policies will be enacted, but that it will take a political revolution -- a ground swell of people voting for representatives and senators that support them. Of course the ignorant Tea Potty type Americans will call him a communist and a fascist as they have accused Obama, and will accuse Hillary ... (and anyone that is liberal). Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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He's got to defend his senate seat. It'd be great to put a democrat in that position, but I think he has a challenger in the primary. No, the General: Lexington mayor Jim Gray announces he's running against Rand Paul for Senate | CNN Politics
quote: Interestingly, some of his supporters may switch to Bernie (who appeals to many moderate republicans and a strong majority of independents -- which includes a lot of libertarians). Now that would be news Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
There is a case that Ted did some unsavory things that did amount to cheating. First his staff sent out flyers to delegates essentially telling them that they would be committing a criminal offense if they did not show up.
Secondly, his staff put out the word that Ben Carson was dropping out of the race, when in fact Carson was doing no such thing. The staff urged those Carson supporters to thrown their support to Cruz. Carson complained to the Republican committee but they said that they were not going to get involved. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Interestingly, Rand Paul got more votes than Bush yet he still dropped out. I guess he still thinks the Bush dynasty is still relevant. It isn't.
I wonder how long before the 'establishment' Republicans start shifting their money towards Rubio, as he looks to be the best choice out of the remaining pack that has a chance and isn't completely bonkers. Rand Paul and Marco Rubio seemed like the only one's that, as you said, aren't completely bonkers (not that I'm a fan of either). But as good of a debater and clear talent he has for politics, I can't get behind a lot of his policies. I would like to see Rubio/Sanders, because at least these are the lesser of evils for me. Really don't know who I'd vote for at this point, because I identify as socially liberal (Sanders), but fiscally conservative (Rubio). I'm truly the swing vote independent at this point. Of course, there is the possibility that a decent libertarian might still throw their hat in to the ring, in which case, I will "throw my vote away" in their direction."Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Parasomnium writes: Yip. In my country (and in the rest of the continent) the strong man tends to win. Regardless of how corrupt he is. The strong man can do whatever he wants to and still be elected. But that's seemingly not how it works in your country It seems like in America the X-factor man is likely to win. No matter how stupid he is. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1138 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined:
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Typical politician - Rand Paul wants it both ways. He got the Republicans in Kentucky to change from primary vote to caucus so Paul could run for both President and Senate at the same time.
Not only is he hunting for his next job while collecting his current paycheck (and skipping a lot of work), but he wants to keep his safe Senate seat while trying for a promotion. He dropped the Presidential race to fight both the caucus challengers and the election Democrat.
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