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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Protestant Reformers identified the papacy as the seat of the Antichrist based on its false doctrine and multiple contradictions with scripture, and embrace of pagan religions. Each Pope is Antichrist in his turn. Eventually there will be a final one who resumes ruling the world as the medieval Popes did.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There are laws against discrimination. The laws protect christians too. You can take that up with the courts that punished the five or six Christian businesses with fines for refusing to cater to gay weddings.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Please list the 5-6.
Also, any that were fined broke the law. In your words they are criminals. Ergo, they were punished. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Yes, of course they broke the law and of course they were punished. Obviously the law no longer protects Christians.
This has been discussed here many times. If I can find a post listing those businesses I will reference it. It was a florist, I think in New Mexico, two or three bakeries, one in Oregon, one in Colorado, a photographer, I think in Arizona, at least. Also a pizza business somewhere in the South but Christians rallied to save them. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I tried to make it clear that I'm not into discussing the issues themselve That is simply not true. You have tried to discuss the issues as well. You've just done an incredibly poor job. For example you tried to express an opinion about Waterboarding when you did not even know what that was. You tried to use evidence of voting to describe to make a point and then you had to back off when that method did not go your way. And beyond that you've continued to make excuses for Trump's over the top talk by labelling attempts to discuss that as PC. Making excuses for Trump while pouncing on everyone else is total nonsense. And your own speech is full of personal attacks. Lectures from you on the correct means of expression are pointless. Pot meet kettle.
PC for instance labels those who oppose illegal immigration "racists" and "xenophobes" and "haters" as if you know their innermost thoughts Actually, for the most part I applied those labels to Trump based on the words out of his mouth. I did not even go so far as to apply them to you even after you said that his slander was okay with you as long as a single illegal immigrant committed a criminal act. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm soooooooo sorry I have to correct you as usual. I did make comments about the issues from time to time and wish I hadn't because it wasn't what I was interested in. You should have noted that I didn't say I didn't discuss them at all, only that it was the PC topic that was my focus.
Also I'm not just talking about personal attacks as such, I'm talking about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS which I've described in Message 837. I don't care all that much if you call someone stu-pid, I'm talking about POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, which is a special brand of propaganda/slander. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Actually, for the most part I applied those labels to Trump based on the words out of his mouth Your PC presumptuous mindreading of his words, not anything he actually said.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Actually, for the most part I applied those labels to Trump based on the words out of his mouth. I did not even go so far as to apply them to you even after you said that his slander was okay with you as long as a single illegal immigrant committed a criminal act. "Slander? That he said there were rapists among them? What else? I had no problem with it because it isn't slander. I'm not going to denounce somebody for saying awkward things in a debate, but you all pounce on such gaffes. It's tiresome. I don't even normally support Trump all that much, or know half of what he's said, but the kinds of rhetoric you all use against him are too objectionable to leave alone.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
You can't take the Bible out of context. It is clear from other parts of the Bible that we are to obey God and not man. Show me how that's out of context. It says that the government only exists because God allows it to. "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Show me how that's out of context. It says that the government only exists because God allows it to. The context is other parts of the Bible, as I said, that tell us to obey God rather than man. When the Sanhedrin ordered the apostles not to preach in Christ's name they answered:
Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. If there is a conflict between the earthly government and the heavenly, you obey the heavenly. And there is a conflict between the law validating gay marriage and God's law that defines marriage as between a man and a woman, and identifies homosexual sex as sin worthy of death. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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So for instance we hear how evil Trump is for supporting waterboarding, rather than merely wrong, with facts offered to show why wrong.
Torture is evil, and not merely wrong. As to whether Trump is evil -- that, I do not know. He might just be playing fundamentalists for fools (and doing so very effectively).Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5
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The Protestant Reformers identified the papacy as the seat of the Antichrist based on its false doctrine and multiple contradictions with scripture, and embrace of pagan religions.
They were mistaken. The real seat of the Antichrist is American fundamentalist Christianity.Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member
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That's not true. I didn't get to find out what waterboarding actually does until way into the excuse for a discussion about it that went on here, then finally somebody informed me Which is amazing on so many levels. You sat there and strenuously advocated the use of waterboarding without even knowing what is was! You no doubt just heard these pithy little commentaries by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, or wherever else that justified it, so you assumed that it must be great without even investigating it for yourself. That is one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard and highlights how much your personal biases affect your judgment. And nice wording, by the way... You didn't "get to find out what waterboarding was?" We all assumed that you knew what it was because you have been arguing in favor of it!
No facts about waterboarding until then, just a lot of rhetoric about how evil Trump is for supporting it, how unchristian it proves him to be and all that typical ad hominem leftist propaganda rot. And by the way once you've applied the label evil or the equivalent to a political opponent how would you go about justifying it anyway? Look up the FACTS then! Faith, generally somebody arguing in favor of something and defending it tooth and nail means that they already know what something is. The fact that you were defending a practice that you admittedly don't even know what it is, and then turn around and blame other people for YOUR intellectual laziness by not holding your hand and walking you through the learning process highlights what a parody you are of yourself! "Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Which is amazing on so many levels. You sat there and strenuously advocated the use of waterboarding without even knowing what is was! Not as I recall. I made some attempt to rescue the idea from the extreme denunciations of Trump, but not much because as I kept saying I didn't know much about it. And I wasn't interested in knowing much about it. I was objecting to how Trump is talked about by his opponents, and I would object no matter whether I agree with him about waterboarding or not so I didn't care to find out about waterboarding, that wasn't the point for me. The attitude toward the Republicans by the lefties became my main focus and that got me into the stuff about PC. THAT's what I care about, how the left treats people it disagrees with, and I despise it. I had no reason to look up waterboarding, I wanted to see if anybody would emerge from their moralistic lambasting of Trump long enough to give some information about it and eventually a tiny bit emerged. You all treat me the way you treat Trump too. Instead of giving the benefit of the doubt and looking for my good reasons for doing what I do it's all about finding the most fault you can possibly invent. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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My effort in this entire discussion has been to object to Political Correctness as the left's favorite form of "debate" and to try to show how it operates in the thinking of the posters on this topic here, when discussing Trump's views of illegal immigration, or the Right's views in general for that matter, or the Right's view of gay marriage, or even what Trump said about waterboarding. I tried to make it clear that I'm not into discussing the issues themselves, I just want to get across that PC is a pernicious form of thought and doesn't belong in any intellectual discourse of any kind. Yes, the issues should be discussed instead, but that's not my purpose here, my purpose is to highlight the evil doctrine of PC and how the left uses it all the time as if it were a legitimate form of debate. And Theodoric's post is a brilliant piece of Perfect PC so I had to give it a prize. Let me try again to get across what I've been saying all along:
I think I may have forgotten some other things I said about PC, so if I remember them I'll come back and add them. I note that you still haven't provided any arguments or evidence to suggest that what he wrote isn't actually true.
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