Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

Mein Kampf made it up about a Jewish plan for world domination. You have a great talent for picking up on pieces of a topic and making false equivalences. But the evidence I have in mind comes straight from the mouths of Muslim and Arab leaders themselves. AS I SAID. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You've confused the torchers with the cars torched. It's 80 CARS a day, PK, you can't tell how many Muslims were involved from the number of cars torched.

Thst's just nit-picking. The point remains the same and remains valid. On what basis can you conclude that the vast majority of torchings are committed by Muslims? Surely non-Muslim criminals, joyriders and vandals account for a sizeable proportion.

It's your own personal wild guess against half a dozen good sources I happen to have heard on this subject over the last few months. Where's YOUR evidence?But I have to get out of here and read some of those books I found.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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It's your own personal wild guess against half a dozen good sources I happen to have heard on this subject over the last few months.

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Since your ability to evaluate sources is nil, I'll prefer my reasonable estimates.Have we really got to the point where the idea that non-Muslim criminals and vandals burn cars requires evidence while the idea that they do not can be accepted based only hearsay ? Doesn't the basic credibility of the two ideas strongly weigh in the opposite direction ?

You are very nave about the motives and ability of the left to suppress truth about Muslim involvement.I just found this website, Evidence the "Paris Riots" are actually the "French Intifada" that lists all kinds of evidence that Islam is behind the violence in France, including the burning of cars (such as that cars with Islamic stickers are spared) and what's most interesting about it is that all the links offered to buttress the evidentiary claim go to a page that pronounces them all "deprecated." Very strange. Looks like some kind of elaborate censorship by hackers to me.In fact if you google iris.org, the blog where that was posted, you'll find all the links to it on the google page go to a similar "error message." Censorship is clearly one of the methods of choice by the left. Such "tolerance."Robert Spencer apparently has better security at his site, where I found this page of evidence that Muslims are not exactly showing up in droves to protest Muslim violence.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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You are very nave about the motives and ability of the left to suppress truth about Muslim involvement.

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No, I just don't trust conspiracy-theory type excuses for the lack of evidence. Especially when they are deployed as a diversion.Again, is it really reasonable to assume that non-Muslim criminals and vandals do NOT torch cars?

That's just a red herring PK, a distraction. I'm sure there are some copycats, so what?

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That's just a red herring PK, a distraction.

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It certainly is not. If 80 cars a day are torched in France it isn't possible for 80 cars a day to be torched by Muslims unless non-Muslims are responsible for a tiny proportion. It is certainly not a "wild guess" to point out that this is unlikely.So, given your attempt to change the subject in your previous post I have to say that your claim is not only an obvious falsehood, it is also more than a little hypocritical.

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I'm sure there are some copycats, so what?

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Why would they have to be copycats ? Torching a car is a good way to destroy forensic evidence and I don't think that French criminals or joyriders need Muslims to tell them that.

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Did you look at the link to the claim that the Paris Riots are the work of the "French Intifada?" That was in Message 1311. It's old news, ten years old, but it reads like today's news.The thing is you don't know anything about how many Muslims are involved in the car burnings, you are surmising and guessing, and in fact there is no reliable evidence to tell us how many. That there are others involved is apparently also true, but how many who knows?But the jihad motivation in the case of the Muslims seems to be pretty clear. Do you believe what that site said, that cars with Islamic stickers were not burned? Unfortunately the evidence linked from the site has been destroyed. You won't take that as proof of a conspiracy, even though ALL of the links have been destroyed? ALL the links to ALL the evidence cited. A bit too much coincidence for me.The site also mentions the exodus of Jews from France even back then because of the Muslim violence against them, which is also denied by comments to that site, and of course links supporting it have also been destroyed. That's another bit of news out of France that I keep hearing about every so often, mostly from Christian radio I suppose. Naa, no big attacks on the Jews, that's all made up. Not Muslims in great numbers burning the cars either, and those that are involved aren't motivated by Islam, just "disadvantaged youths" acting out their boredom. Etc. etc.

We're using math - specifically the field of probability. The math indicates that if you are interested in the ethnic breakdown of the arsonists, then given a statistically significant sample, the breakdown is very likely to reflect the ethnic mix of the population in the areas affected.There may be factors which skew the breakdown, but the starting point for the analysis is that we would expect to see a reflection of the breakdown of the set, when examining the sub-set. That's your base position according to the math.If you want to show that the breakdown of the arsonists is other than the base position, you have to introduce evidence. Real evidence - not just something said by someone with an agenda and zero accountability.Our position is based on the mathematical principles of probability - you need to bring hard data to make your assertions anything more than that.

But her position is based on fact, the fact that that is the answer she wants.AbE:And that brings us back to the topic of the Primaries.Trump is tell folk what they want to hear.He is telling folk:The problem is not you, it's those illegal immigrants.The problem is not you, it's those Muslims.The problem is not you, it the government.The problem is not you ...Edited by jar, : see AbE

I noticed that there is also no clear evidence that it was not mostly Christians. There fore It is safe to assume they were all done by christians. Or maybe it was Venusians?

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The thing is you don't know anything about how many Muslims are involved in the car burnings, you are surmising and guessing, and in fact there is no reliable evidence to tell us how many. That there are others involved is apparently also true, but how many who knows?

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Now you're mixing up people and incidents. But none of this answers my point. The idea that virtually none of the car torchings are carried out by non-Muslims doesn't pass the smell test. It's just too unlikely to be simply assumed. Pointing that out is not guessing, it's simple rationality.

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But the jihad motivation in the case of the Muslims seems to be pretty clear.

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It seems to be pretty clearly a daft invention. And quoting claims about evidence from an obviously biased site - evidence which wouldn't even do much to support the claim if it was true - is hardly helpful.I'll also point out that anti-semitism is hardly confined to Muslims. Sadly, France has neo-Nazis too. And even though the Front Nationale threw out their former leader, Jean Marie Le Pen for Holocaust denial, it hardly changes the fact that he had been their leader, despite his views.