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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Eh whut? Whoever said these varves formed DURING THE FLOOD? What an utterly ridiculous idea. They had to have formed afterward, over the millennia SINCE the Flood. Okay so now you abandoned your argument about waves and tides forming them. For now. So, Faith, how do the 6 million layers form in the last 4000 to 5000 years or so ... unnoticed by the people living there? What's the magic process to make those layers faith? That's over 1200 layers per year, 100 layers per month, 3 layers per day ... what is it faith? And while you are attempting to shoehorn that into your fantasy, explain why they show the "periodic effects of pronounced cyclicity, with the precession, obliquity, and eccentricity orbital components all clearly detectable. This enables the beds to be internally dated with a high degree of accuracy, and astrochronological dates agree very well with radiometric dates" ... how do you explain that faith? You have no idea of the layers and layers of evidence that is against your delusional fantasy. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : . Edited by RAZD, : linkby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Missed this on the first answer:
... You can have that hypothesis if you like, but the Flood would have wiped out the Green River so however they formed it was after the Flood. And the varves in Lake Suigetsu and Cariaco Basin would also have been wiped out, and they extend linked to today for over 50,000 years of annual deposits, the one verifying the other. Keep trying faith, it is so entertaining to watch the dance of denial. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Hardly. Funny how you assert that over and over and don't even give one reason to think anything I've said is false. ... Except that I have, you just ignore it. See Age of Grand Canyon and Cave Speleothems and If Caused By Flood Drainage Why is the Grand Canyon Where It IS? for examples of Grand Canyon geology. Also review Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood? Then we could go back to the Grand Canyon in stages thread by Jar ... discontinuities between layers prove your thesis is false. And yes we can prove falsehoods. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RAZD, I HAVE NEVER EVER said the varves formed DURING THE FLOOD. I say only that the STRATA that make up the GEOLOGICAL COLUMN, on which the GEOLOGICAL TIME SCALE is based, were formed in the Flood, by waves and tides and precipitation. And the dance of denial advances, now in caps to accent the downbeat, I did not SAY what I SAID before ... LOL It doesn't matter what you said or did not say, there was no flood and there is no evidence of a magic flying carpet flood ... that's just you saying god-did-it while pretending to use natural processes ... except you don't use natural processes ... Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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As I said, put varves on your side. I do not have an answer and don't normally attempt one except to suppose they had to have occurred far more frequently than you allow. But all you are doing is changing the subject and distracting from my good arguments against the OE/ToE. If you can't answer those then chalk them up to my side. Actually the thread is about Evidence of the flood and not the ToE -- so that would be you trying to change the subject to escape the hammering you are getting on the flood. There you are in the Indianopolis 500 race riding a bicycle and you can't keep up with the cars so you start screaming that it is supposed to be a bicycle race ... ROFLOL Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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... But I just spent a bit of time reading up on the Green River Formation and I have to admit I had the wrong idea of what it is. I see now that it is part of the strata I am talking about and not something apart from the Flood after all. Mea culpa, I am sorry for the mistake. And the circle dance continues ... So now back to Message 381 (reply to faith Message 377):
quote: Remember Stoke's Law?
quote: 15,000 layers per day is 6 seconds per layer, 3 seconds coarsest particles fraction, grading to 3 seconds finest particles fraction ... repeat. 'Splain it faith. Enjoy ps regarding the fat fish fossil see CD241: Are varves annular?CC331: Polystrate fossils and deposition CC335: Vertical whale fossil by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Mt. St. Helens ash and Hawaiian lava flows. The sea floor
Dust falling from the sky settles to the bottom continuously. Dust that includes ash and smoke particles and that includes radioactive isotopes, isotopes that can be dated to show that indeed the lower the sediment the older it is, just as we know and expect from the law of superposition. And including debris from dead insects, birds, mammals, fishes, algae, sea weeds, etc etc etc Animals and plant material die and is covered by sediments. If the bottom in anoxic the bodies will be covered gradually as the sediment builds up and builds up around them, eventually covering them. It's so simple. Nice large area continuous deposits just exactly like we see in rock layers of rocks that once were the bottom of the sea in the past. Rocks that we can date with radiometric methods and again show that the lower strata are older than the upper strata, and again confirming the law of superposition. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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and the dance of denial, now accompanied by the full caps shouting ...
THEY ARE NOT ONE SINGLE SEDIMENT ... Except that they are. That's how they form. It's how the sediment layers in the Grand Canyon formed. You have not shown this is not possible or even not a likely process over many many years. Years that occurred before the 17 million year start of the erosion of the Grand Canyon from west to east, culminating 14 million years ago ... while erosion still occurs in the riverbed. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : addedby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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The Muav channels were clearly formed after the strata were all in place by liquefied limestone running between the layers. ROFLOL. Liquified limestone ... does not exist. Dissolved limestone redeposits as calcite not limestone, it loses the characteristics of limestone when dissolved. Melted limestone is metamorphic and the heat turns the limestone to marble, which is not necessarily liquid, but again losing the characteristics of limestone when heated. Liquified limestone ... does not exist. Once again you are caught making stuff up. If the riverbed section is filled with limestone, that occurred after the bed had dried up and then filled with the limestone sediment deposits. Faith fantasy flying carpet flood explanations are just her metaphor for 'god-did-it.' Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
See Wikipedia article on "Karst" Karst is not a type of rock, nor is it a process, method or mechanism, it is a topography, ... so you haven't answered jar's question
And what is the process, procedure, model, method or mechanism that will liquefy limestone? Inquiring minds want to know what this novel unknown process etc is.
Karst topography is a landscape formed from the dissolution of soluble rocks such as limestone, dolomite, and gypsum. It is characterized by underground drainage systems with sinkholes and caves.[1] It has also been documented for more weathering-resistant rocks, such as quartzite, given the right conditions. Nor does this explain filling in of riverbeds with fresh limestone that retains the characteristics of limestone (ie not calcite and not marble). Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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quote: Which of coarse IS cognitive dissonance. Insulting people is part of cognitive dissonance, refusal to accept objective empirical evidence that contradicts strongly held beliefs is cognitive dissonance, yelling in ALL CAPS is cognitive dissonance, bemoaning that nobody accepts your arguments is cognitive dissonance, repeating falsified arguments as if the refutations never existed is cognitive dissonance, claiming you have presented evidence when none has been presented is cognitive dissonance ... I could go on, but it is quite evident that cognitive dissonance plays a large role in the manner of her posts. Sorry, but I just could not let this go without comment. The evidence is in this thread, and that's why I am posting it here. The earth is very, very, very old, and has existed billions of years without even a half vast world-wide flood. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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So I'm going to ask again, Faith ...
I also found an article claiming to prove that the varves are indeed annual. Well, the fish fossils prove they aren't. ... Can you explain to me why the fish fossils prove the layers are not annual?
But as I started reading up on it, reading about these very very fine alternating layers of sediments with different amounts of organic matter in them. I encountered a discussion of the fossils preserved in them. Fossils of big fat fish for instance, much bigger than any supposedly annual pair of varves could cover up to their knees as it were. I pondered this for half a second and laughed out loud. These fish all by themselves prove that the varve pairs are not annual because the fish would have rotted away or been eaten within days, weeks or months of being "buried" by this minuscule amount of sediment. It would take at least ten years to cover them to a depth sufficient to provide the environment for fossilization, which of course is way too late. Unless the bottom was anoxic, a not unusual situation:
quote: ... In fact that would make fossilization more likely than oxygenated lakes. Large flat lakes with minimal outlet flow would concentrate salts in the depth (Salt Lake anyone?). So I can easily explain the existence of fossils that extend through several layers of sediment, with science, with known processes that we can see in the world today, with objective empirical evidence ... without making anything up. Meanwhile you still have no explanation for the formation of the varve couplets ... which, curiously, is the evidence you need to deal with ... 6 million of them. Claiming that the magical mystery tour flying carpet flood somehow managed to do this by an unknown, unobserved, unevidenced, scientifically impossible process ... is in fact invoking a miracle, not science. It's the definition of a miracle isn't it? Something that science can't explain? Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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Getting no reply from Faith to Message 868 -- more evidence that she just ignores posts that refute her arguments.
Well here's more ... it was even on Fox News:
quote: quote: Of particular interest for Faith is the levels of silty sediment on and around the ships, which are in various degrees of being buried ... without rotting and without being flattened. Compare this to the Green River varves gradually covering corpses on the bottom.
... Fossils of big fat fish for instance, much bigger than any supposedly annual pair of varves could cover up to their knees as it were. I pondered this for half a second and laughed out loud. These fish all by themselves prove that the varve pairs are not annual because the fish would have rotted away or been eaten within days, weeks or months of being "buried" by this minuscule amount of sediment. ... ... Well, the fish fossils prove they aren't. ... These ships are much bigger than the annual deposition of sediment could cover, even 2000 years of annual deposits have not covered them yet, but they are still preserved in good condition ... by the anoxic conditions at the bottom of the black sea. But they have certainly been buried enough to cover a fish corpse. This should put "paid" to her erroneous conclusion that fat fish proved the layers weren't annual and her further leap of faith conclusion that it meant radiometric dating was wrong. This evidence is "proof positive" that organic material can last on the bottom under anoxic conditions for thousands of years, gradually become buried by the slow rain of small particles over millennia, and preserved for future discovery.
... I pondered this for half a second and laughed out loud. ... It is said that he who laughs last laughs best. Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : db Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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