The 2016 United States Presidential Election

See my post above. There is no mention of any signature count at all, let alone a suggestion that it doesn't agree with the number of ballots issued.

Something doesn't agree or there wouldn't be a problem.

As I sad, see my post above. Or read the article. It looks as if the problem may be nothing more than trouble getting votes to register, and the election workers failing to adjust the count. We simply can't tell from the information given that there is any indication of fraud at all.

Interestingly enough, so do I. My post was not a defense on the taking of the Italian's hotel, but instead on the whole idea of charity to refugees which are at least in part a group of folks that some folks denigrate based on their religion. If that particular is not commanded to help them, then surely you and I are.

To the first question, surely you remember the lesson of the good Samaritan and surely you also note that some of the verses refer to charity to strangers and aliens.As for why I get to dictate. I do not. Jesus provided the blueprint.In any event, you appear to be writing your posts as if I am speaking to the Italian hotel owner rather than to you.

"Friend" is not the word Jesus used in the story of the good Samaritan. It certainly does not describe Muslim refugees. Helping Muslim refugees by bringing them into another culture is being an agent of violence, rape andmurder and subjugation of that culture. That's not charity and Jesus would not require it of anybody. And in fact that would be hating your neighbor, the neighbor who is a citizen of the culture you are threatening by bringing in Muslims.Islam is not just another religion, it's a totalitarian ideology that will not adapt to different cultures or respect other religions who to them are all "infidels." They will pretend anything, however, when they are not in the position of power, they are willing to lie to infidels, willing to make false treaties and contracts with the infidel they will later break, because service to "Allah" is above all relationships with infidels. Using the meaning of loving your neighbor in the sense of the Shalt Nots or any other sense, Islam has no such moral standard. And they are willing to wait for the opportunity to dominate the infidels as long as they must, pretending they have no such intention. Those who are genuinely moderate are simply not true followers of their religion, but that could change at any time. They are ticking time bombs. Read the book "Philistine" by Ramon Bennett where he quotes Muslim leaders on their strategy.If you want to help the refugees help them in a way that doesn't require committing suicide or murder or other violence, and how dare you suggest anyone who knows the reality of Islam is guilty of refusing to love our neighbor if we are against bringing them into a culture they despise. We love our neighbor by not subjecting those already here to such a danger.Help settle the refugees in a Muslim nation. Help them in the refugee camp. Take the gospel of Jesus Christ to them; take them Bibles. THAT would be genuinely loving them.After you've hated your citizen neighbor by subjecting them to such dangers and brought them in anyway, then make laws against Sharia, make laws against allowing them to create "no-go" zones, make laws against the hijab and against all the alien facets of their totalitarian ideology that is at odds with our culture. That would be loving them and it would be loving your neighbor both refugee and citizen. Otherwise you are dangerously deluded and putting the nation in danger.But the main topic is whether a government has the right to force anyone, the example being the hotel owner, to use his hotel for any purpose against his will, such as to accommodate refugees no matter who the refugees are.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That's insane, so I did some checking:

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Michigan Recount Laws

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Recounts conducted under the supervision of county, city, township and village boards of canvassers are conducted using an electronic voting system unless one or more of certain conditions exist. These conditions are specified in statute and include such conditions as discrepancies in the number of ballots issued and voted, and discrepancies relating to the seals on ballot containers and transfer cases. Mich. Comp. Laws 168.871(1).

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Although the default method of counting is retabulation using an electronic voting system, Mich. Comp. Laws 168.871(4) provides boards of canvassers with other options for counting ballots and states that recounts may be conducted by any, or any combination of the following means: a manual tally of the ballots; a tabulation of the ballots on a computer using a software application designed to specifically count only the office or ballot question subject to the recount; or a tabulation of the ballots on a computer using the same software application used in the precinct on election day.

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Bold added. Looks like the recount is then done by a different system than the original method, which would be a sane approach anyway.Enjoy

The way I understand it is if there are discrepancies between the books and the voting machine there is no way to be sure where or when the inconsistencies were introduced and the default is the original count. For example, if ballots were removed AFTER the original results were calculated, then a discrepancy would be found but a recount would record the erroneous results.The big problem, as I understand it, in Michigan is that there are 75,000 ballots that appear to have no selection for president. It really doesn't surprise me though. I almost left it blank... (which in reality by voting third party I pretty much did leave it blank). Apparently that is what made Stein call for a recount in MI. That and the troubles they have had in Detroit. Of the three states petitioned for a recount, I think MI is the only one that could potentially flip, although very unlikely.HBD

Do you really think Jesus would advocate building a wall to keep out undesirables? or approve of vilifying an entire group of people? or living in a spirit of fear and worry? or putting safety and security over the needs of people? Don't think for a second that Trump's plans include love and help for the Muslim people - they are exclusionary. They are based in fear and nationalism - not love!!I don't see how you can claim to be a follower of Christ and write the things you wrote in this post. "take them Bibles..." really? People that are fleeing for their lives from a terrible war between a brutal dictator, a rebel army and a radical terrorist organization should be given Bibles????I will agree with one sentiment you expressed. I wonder why other Muslim nations are not willing to help their own people. Islam is supposed to be about uniting the Muslim people, instead they are oppressive and violent to each other. However, I don't blame this on the Muslim religion, but on human nature. Just like "Christian" nations have hardly been peace-loving and generous to other nations; it's not fair to blame that on the Christian religion, instead it comes from people's own evil desires and their use of religion as an excuse or a cover for their own evil desires. Same goes for Muslims. (I am not saying that Islamic ideology is good or equal to Christian ideology, I am simply putting the blame where it belongs - on human selfishness and ambition)I would also agree that the government should not have the right to force someone to give up their personal property. But I would also ask the question, would Jesus regard personal property as an absolute right of the individual? I don't see that... in fact, to me Jesus' message is that love for God and people trumps everything else, even our personal property, our security, our freedom, our individual rights, everything. That is NOT the message Trump and yourself are pushing - instead it is a message of fear, intolerance, self preservation, nationalism and judgement - not LOVE.HBDEdited by herebedragons, : No reason given.Edited by herebedragons, : typoEdited by herebedragons, : typo

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The big problem, as I understand it, in Michigan is that there are 75,000 ballots that appear to have no selection for president

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If that number is based on the machine count rather than ballots issued, then it would support my ideas about the discrepancy between the two figures in Detroit. If it is based on ballots issued, I have to wonder if many of them were due to the machines failing to register the choice.

The Christian United States of America has not always been the welcoming nation it claims to be.

Yes, you have. I never said anything about racism. You are projecting.You claimed that the "Leftist Police" were subjugating the American populace. I pointed to a movement that was fighting back against the misuse of power at the hands of police. Do you support it or not? Probably not, right?

Huh?They are free to move back once the violence has subsided. Muslims have been in America since its inception. Also, you need a history lesson. Look up "Crusades".

Who is free to move back where?Let me quess: You are actually arguing that because of the crusades we should let Muslims into the country to rape, riot, burn cars and murder us? And eventually take over the country for Allah?Also, the Crusades were a papal operation, nothing to do with the genuine Christianity which founded this country.In any case it's you who need the lesson. I recommend the book I mentioned, "Philistine" by Ramon Bennett. He quotes Muslim leaders revealing the real agenda of Islam. The fact that some Muslims have adapted and not become radicalized is a good thing, but that doesn't change the fact that Islam itself is a totalitarian ideology that refuses to adapt or respect other religions who are all "infidels." There is no way of knowing, either, whether apparently adapted Muslims have really adapted or are "sleepers," who would become jihadists once there are enough of them to make it effective. I'd only be reassured if they renounced Islam altogether.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Except of course for the fact that reality shows you are simply spouting nonsense. Muslims live all over the world, even Thank God, in the US and there is absolutely no evidence that they rape, riot, burn cars and murder us as often as Christians rape, riot, burn cars and murder us or try to take over the government as often as Christians try to take over the government.