Evidence for the Biblical Record

Any thoughts about the techy evidence, Hooah?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Anything specific relative to the evidence cited, Theodoric? What about the prophecy concerning global mark/number monetary techy? Think it was feasable 1900 years ago?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Anything specific relative to the evidence cited, Hooah? What about the prophecy concerning global mark/number monetary techy? Think it was feasable 1900 years ago?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Peg. There are three prophetic scriptures in the Bible which depict this one and the same global end time prophecy, i.e. the 10 horned beast; Daniel 7, Revelation 13 and Revelation 17, 18. These are clearly one and the same beast, i.e. the end time global empire. You read in both Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 that this empire persecutes the saints of God who are his following believers. If you glean all of the info derived from these three scriptures, you get a pretty good handle on understanding this empire.Don't forget, that Daniel was told in Daniel 12:9 that the prophecy would be sealed up until the end times. Lo and behold, centuries later, the NT prophet John's revelation is a sealed up book which Jesus, the sacrificial lamb unseals in Revelation 5; the first few verses and consequently more info emerges relative to the beast in question and other end time mysteries which were sealed from Daniel and from the ancients.Now, in our times, when all of those end time prophecies begin to come in focus we moderns who are well advanced into the Industrial Revolution beginning a couple of centuries or so ago, begin to have the capability to understand some of the terminology of things like mark/number monetary stuff, globally viewed speaking images, enforcement of certain requirements to all nations and all of that which the prophets who spoke and wrote them likely had no clue as to why such inspiration termnilogy was given them to write. Some had visions of things to come which likely astounded them.You can in no way logically try to apply much of this that Revelation or even Daniel alluded to to ancient times. Much of it which I've cited was no way feasable for ancients. Horse and wagon/buggy/chariot and sail ship travel, oil lighting and word of mouth communication was it for all of human history until the Industrial Revolution which was the early beginning of what could be considered the last days.As per your message, I'll ask you; what's your thoughts relative to the 10 horned beast implenting marks and numbers for a global monetary system to be globally enforced?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

LOL, Zen. All you're trying to do is to deny the bonafice devidence that fulfilled prophecy affords. You can't just blindly assert that there's no such thing as what we call miracle. If what we regard as miracle is factual then it becomes reality.I have cited prophecies of a tiny nation of identifiable people who the prophets declared to be dispersed to the Gentile nations. That has happened. We know that it has. It's evidenced by history. OT and NT prophets including Jesus prophesied that this widely scattered little dispersed identifiable people would emerge from many nations to restore their kingdom in this tiny little place called Israel. During the dispersement the land was desolate just as the prophets stated when in fact there was no reason for it to be desolate being that it was a good productive land when the Jews and the Caananites had it. But the prophets said it would be a desolate wasteland until the Jews returned and that it would be surrounded with hostile nations. This all happened. History is the evidence.We know as well that according to the prophecies it did not happen in ancient days because the prophet Ezekiel in chapter 38 said that the restore nation would be a land where the citizens would dwell in unwalled villages. This was not the case in ancient time but is the case now. All of this and more corroborates with other evidence which I've cited.So Zen, I'm not buying your charge that my evidence is off topic just because you think there's no such thing as miracle, i.e that you think that Jehovah of the Bible does not exist.Zen, have you forgotten that one reason you opened this thread is that Buzsaw kept on alluding to fulfilled prophecy and you essentially wanted me to put up or shut up? Well now that I'm producing the bonafide fulfillments you are trying to cut me off. LOL. I'm here to call you on your challenge and produce the goods, so either get use to it or soundly refute my data. You opened this thread, posted a few substanceless rebuttals and cowardly bugged off after your rebuttals tanked and the evidence began to mount which you called for.I know that I'm bucking a thread full of skeptics but what should be expected? Nobody in this thread but Peg and preacher ICANT would ever admit to anything smacking of supernatural regardless of how much evidence was cited and Peg, being JW, get's her prophecy spoon fed from JW headquarters. If you choose to disbelieve my evidence, fine, but don't try to falsely allege that Buzsaw has been posting off topic in your thread, having produced no evidence for the Biblical record.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Huntard, it's like any history book or text book. For the most part, there's nothing to interpret. You read the words and they mean what they say. If the writer says Mt Sinai is in Arabia, the land of Midian, etc, what's there to interpret? If he says Israel will be restored and invaded as a land of unwalled villages and ungated, what's there to interpret? In ancient days they needed the walls. In these latter days, city walls and gates are irrevelant, so you read, think and go figure.Creationists regard your interpretation of what is observed on earth and in the cosmos as faulty but when it comes to wording, in most cases you read it and apply it at face value.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Grayseal, for the most part of the centuries of dispersement, what is called Palestine was a land of relative desolation compared to when the Jews occupied it before and after the dispersement.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Paul, no matter how you cut it, the Gentiles occupied and now they're out at a time when other cited corroborated unusual events are being observed. This all after the prophecy was spoken by Jesus but not until our times. No, they're not. The OT prophecies and the NT prophecies have too many events in them that in no way applied to ancient days, such as the unwalled and ungated villages in Israel, the promise that after this return the would be at peace and never be removed, that all nations will acknowledge Jehovah, that a messiah figure would rule forever and much more.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

After what fact, Paul? After the end of the times of the Gentiles?, alluded to in the prophecy? After the destruction of the temple subsequent to when Jesus spoke the pophecy? ...After false messiahs coming in Jesus's name? ......After great signs from heaven? .......After Jesus gives them wisdom and words to say and they are persecuted for their testimony of Jesus? .....After celestial signs, seas roaring and powers of heaven shaken and the 2nd advent of Jesus? ........After the generation that passes subsequent to all of the above? The above all were inclusive in the same prophecy which you doggedly apply to pre-NT ancient times. What then do you do with these post-Jesus prophecies?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Doc. Metaphorize til the cows come home. That's your perrogative. I tend to see the significance of marks and numbers relating to how I pay my bills and do my online taxes these days. I tend to look at a tiny nation restored form a nearly 2000 year dispersement of relatively few descendents as significant as I observe the Mid Eastern news and look at the modern maps. I tend to take the Revelation implications of weather change in the latter days including excessive drout and an aggragate global warming literally as I observe the increasing frequency of weather related natural disaster. I tend to regard Jesus's prophecy of stars falling to earth as relative to satelites and other man made craft which are lights in the sky looking like stars capable of falling to earth; these all to mention a few.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

There's a third option, Huntard, which I go by which is that Jesus knew what they would be but since the readers up until our times knew no terminology relative to air travel and particularly space flight etc, the only terminology relative to space would be stars.This terminology was also applied to the wise men light/star of Bethlehem, since certainly a star of the cosmos would not be leading the wise men to the babe, Jesus.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

For Pete's sake, Apothecus, open your eyes and mind. It matches up nicely with the marks/numbers monetary techy a few verses later in the same end times apocalyptic chapter corroborating numerous other end time fulfilled prophecies and evidences of what we are observing today.Peg is great in some areas, but regarding prophecy interpretations, those interpretations, for the most part come spoonfed from liberal Jehovah Witness scholars who take it upon themselves to change the meaning of the wording to suit their falacious notion that they can spiritualize away observed reality.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

That's just not true, Huntard. I'm the one who has argued for the literal rendition of the wording evidenced by observed 21st century techy phenomena.Your refusal to acknowledge the evidence is a blatant unsupported blind assertion that evidence has not been cited.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

This is as irrevelant as the EvC rating system, Huntard, in which the biased concensus of the secularist majority POV consistently rates high,
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.