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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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This may surprise you, but the word "socialist" is still a dirty word in the English language. ... Do you mean the English language as used in England, Canada and the US? Or do you just mean the US where we had the McCarthy red-scare nonsense perpetuated on people to scare them? (1) the socialist policies that Bernie proposes are similar to socialistic policies in England, Canada, France, Germany, and the Nordic countries -- especially those Nordic countries. They are not radical, they are based on the perception of basic human rights as codified in the UN Human Rights Declaration. (2) Bernie is a socialistic democrat, and that means tempering capitalism with social justice, rather than replacing it, with the specific mix of socialism and capitalism decided democratically. Of course the rich and large corporation people would fear his policies (minimum living wage, paid sick and maternity leave, equal pay for work of equal value) but that doesn't mean that these policies are bad for workers - quite the contrary.
That said, I'm convinced Hillary is much more to the left than she portrays herself to be. Except that she is scrambling to the left to counter Bernie's popularity and out of her comfort zone. She wants to be Obama's 3rd term and not make waves. I seriously doubt that any banksters would be broken up or prosecuted by her.
Anyway, you guys can like Sanders all you want. Just like how the right is collectively denying themselves that they are pushing for unelectable candidates, I see you guys much the same way. It's not possible for you to tell your own breath stinks. The use of ad hominem usually means your argument is weak and based on personal opinion and bias rather than reason. I predict that Bernie will beat Hillary in Nevada and be in a virtual tie with her in S.Carolina and that her campaign will become even more strident (hopefully with no more dog barking ... ) Enjoy.by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1053 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
Hell, a lot of people like Trump because he has no political correctness filter which pretty much is the polar opposite of conventional wisdom when it comes to politics. I think he's reprehensible, but at least you're getting an honest answer versus Ted Cruz who would tell you anything just to get your vote. I don't think you're getting an honest answer with Trump. I think his political persona is equally as scripted as those who pick their words carefully to avoid giving offense, he's simply decided he thinks he can win with a different strategy, and that's precisely by cultivating the image of a no-nonsense straight talker who has no truck with all this 'political correctness'. His words seem calculated both to speak directly to a constituency he thinks is big enough to win him the election; while provoking others into looking like shrill, whiny, liberal elitists when they criticise him.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Faith, I think you should address what Trump actually said rather than what you wish he'd said. Christian charity is, I'm sure, a fine thing, but when you alter the facts in order to think well of Donald Trump you are taking it too far. Dr. A, I usually ignore this sort of post from you (which is typical of you) because it is underhanded. It is your obligation to tell me how I supposedly misquoted Trump, which I have no reason to believe I did. I've only been following what has been said in this series of posts. If you want an answer (which obviously you don't, you'd much rather just get away with a hit-and-run unfair accusation), but if you do want an answer, please show me where I misquoted Trump.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You're only using the conservative version of what "PC" means (anything remotely liberal must therefore be pandering Political Correctness). You evidently don't even know what that term actually means. I abhor political correctness. I think what you meant to say is that I'm looking more like a liberal to you than I do a conservative... and that annoys you. Liberals always annoy me, but misconstruing facts annoys me more. Political Correctness has a definition that originated with conservatives as a complaint against the way the Left tyrannically determines how people are allowed to think. The definition originated with an essay by Bilil Lind HERE which is by now a classic that traces the concept to the Cultural Marxists, and since I lived through all that quite up close and personal in a college town in the sixties where you toed that line or were quite the outcast I KNOW what it means. It's a form of tyrannical propaganda that disallows freedom of thought on certain subjects. There is no other legitimate definition of PC. Any leftist definition is either just leftists having no clue about any of it, or it's been co-opted from the original meaning in order to confuse things. BUT my post was about how you misread what I wrote and that is still the case no matter what PC means. I was not making any "sweeping allegations" and you need to reread what I said to get it right.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Did Donald Trump specify illegal aliens crossing any border or just the US Southern border. Why did he specifically limit his bullshit to those crossing the Southern Border?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Trump has also forwarded several white supremacist tweets. More Than Half of Trump’s Retweets Are White Supremacists Praising Him. As I said I haven't followed all the ins and outs of this current political process and I don't read twitter, so honesty requires you to reproduce the supposed "white supremacist tweets" to which you refer. Perhaps you are right and Trump has been exposed as a white supremacist, but more likely you like all leftists impute racism to nonracist opinions. The fact that white supremacists may like what he said about illegal immigration and admitting refugees without investigating them does not make Trump a white supremacist, as I've been arguing here for the last series of posts.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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You wrote:
To translate "illegal immigrants are going to have rapists among them and I happen to know of cases of rape by illegal immigrants" into "Mexicans are rapists" is a really really sad failure of thought. Donald Trump said:
quote: Yeah, he acknowledged that a few of them probably aren't rapists. But he's not sure. And he didn't say anything in the vicinity of "illegal immigrants are going to have rapists among them and I happen to know of cases of rape by illegal immigrants". You didn't misquote him, you made it up or copied it from someone else who made it up. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
As I said I haven't followed all the ins and outs of this current political process and I don't read twitter, so honesty requires you to reproduce the supposed "white supremacist tweets" to which you refer. Did it occur to you to click the link and read them? Or is that far too much effort?
Note the handle of the original tweeter. WhiteGenocideTM. His avatar is George Lincoln Rockwell, prominent American neo-Nazi. AFAIK nobody has turned up his real name. And my favorite:
Do you need someone to tell you that there is no such thing as the "Crime Statistics Bureau"? Or that those figures are faked? OK, Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I didn't see any link. Links do not show up well here, or perhaps it's my eyes that are the problem.
You've proved nothing against Trump with your post.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I know what Trump said, I already quoted it and answered it. I'm sick of how words are twisted here to make conservatives and Christians and Republicans into criminals. I'm sick of PC. It's totalitarian tyranny.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Did Donald Trump specify illegal aliens crossing any border or just the US Southern border. Why did he specifically limit his bullshit to those crossing the Southern Border?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
PROBABLY BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN BORDER IS THE SUBJECT OF MOST CONCERN ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. DUH.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: PROBABLY BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN BORDER IS THE SUBJECT OF MOST CONCERN ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. DUH. Maybe the most concern of the willfully ignorant. But note Trump said Mexicans. Do you understand that more than just Mexicans cross the border, that illegal immigration from the Caribbean seldom comes in across the Mexican border, the the west coast see illegal immigration from Asia and that at least since 2011 the Canadian Border has been seen as a greater threat than the border with Mexico. Trump says what ever he thinks well sell to the Christian Cult of Ignorance and the other Fascist Racists.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
delete. No point.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You've proved nothing against Trump with your post I contended and proved that he, Trump, retweeted several obvious white supremacist tweets, and unthinkingly passed on false information from one that is easily detected as false by the most cursory inspection. Guess you think that's Presidential behavior.
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