Oh No, The New Awesome Primary Thread

So the quote I posted from you is no longer operative?

Do you know the answer to any of those questions?The answers to those questions are not even relevant unless you think ire at the number justifies any amount of rhetoric. Trump's statements include a bunch of negative statements about those immigrants followed by a patronizing final statement that he presumes some of those immigrants are good people. There is simply no way to read his diatribe other than as a derogatory generalizing statement about those immigrants.

Wow Theo. Where do I even begin? Your on-going posts praising Hillary, how disappointing, on many levels. Yeah, I know the quote. I used your incomplete quote to segue into my response. I protest ALL war criminals/mass murderers. For which forum participants throw crap at me for my temerity and indignation, and not at the actual war criminals/mass murderers. Although no Republican candidate is a war criminal like Hillary, nor has any candidate murdered a million innocent Iraqi civilians like Hillary, the absolutely ONLY thing I liked on the republican side was Rand Paul advising for a smallER amerikan defense department/budget, fewer world-wide amerikan bases.Otherwise, all the rest are hopeful horrific social and foreign policies. So no, I shan't support a republican. A puerile phrase. But yes, I do have the right not to vote. Or I can easily vote for a third party like the Green Party whose ethics actually match mine. A radical thought, eh?This way I can sleep at night, knowing that my actions did not cause harm to other people in this world. However, I guess sleeping must be easy for some sociopathic voters whose support for war criminals/human-rights-violating dictators cause loud screams across the world: "My baby was just murdered by an amerikan drone attack!" Or "Sister, help me!, this phosphorus weapon made in the USA is burning down to my bone!" Or "Doctor, did my deformed baby, conceived among amerikan depleted uranium weaponry, suffer much before she died!!!?" Or "My god!, the amerikan planes just bombed the hospital, again!" Or "Please, PLEASE!, I don't want to be waterboarded again!"Yeah, I choose not to play with THAT game ball. But I can imagine how much fun the game is for sociopaths. You're right. Indignation alone, withOUT facts/evidence, is not constructive against a willfully marble-headed individual. As a matter of fact, Indignation, even WITH facts/evidence, is not constructive against a willfully marble-headed individual.I posted a huge list of facts and evidence in the thread "Presidential Candidates." Then, you and everybody else, promptly ran away. So it greatly appears that my evidence that supports Hillary being a war-criminal and mass-murderer is incontestable. Check. *Chuckle*Except for the crucial difference, . . . I provided apparently incontestable facts/evidence. Funny how you missed this part. (Kinda important difference Theo.) From many posts, I made it absolutely clear, that Hillary and former REPUBLICAN Bush Jr., former REPUBLICAN Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, and all REPUBLICAN presidents since WWII are captaining the exact SAME ship. By voting for the EXACT same mindset that brought us the illegal and immoral Iraqi war, how will that get the ship to turn?Not a rhetoric question. Be specific. *Blinks*Wow Theo, this is just shocking and willfully ignorant drivel. Especially from you, you're one of the more knowledgeable people on the forum. Please check your medication dosage.Is there any actual evidence of this instrument of goodness? Or just childish talking points?I gave a boatload, HMS Queen Mary class, of evidence, showing Hillary is a war criminal/ mass murderer. Now your turn. As Secretary of State for FOUR years, what good did Hillary accomplish for the people around the world?Be specific.To help get you started, I'll start you off with examples from these nations:1. Iraq. Only a few other Democrats were criminal and sociopathic enough to ENTHUSIASTICALLY support Bush Jr in his illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. A million innocent deaths? (The secular regime overthrown by [Hillary supported] U.S. forces was replaced by Islamist fundamentalists, and the ensuing sectarian civil war has produced horrific cases of sexual violence including not least the enslavement of women by extremist groups like the Islamic State.) Zcomm » On Hillary Clinton, Sexism, and U.S. Foreign Policy2. Lebanon (Clinton also backed Israel’s massive 2006 assault on Lebanon, as well as the 2009 and 2014 wars on the Gaza Strip, which killed many hundreds of female non-combatants.) Zcomm » On Hillary Clinton, Sexism, and U.S. Foreign Policy3. Honduras ({Hillary} supported the coup in Honduras, which resulted in a dramatic upsurge in violence against women, with prominent female peasant leaders, union organizers, and indigenous rights advocates among the victims) Zcomm » On Hillary Clinton, Sexism, and U.S. Foreign Policy4. Saudi Arabia (She’s called for closer strategic ties with Saudi Arabia, the most misogynist government on the planet.) Zcomm » On Hillary Clinton, Sexism, and U.S. Foreign Policy I ask again, while Hillary takes bribes/donations from Saudi Arabia for military weaponry, how many woman have been falsely executed by beheading?5. Bahrain. (She supported Bahrain’s brutal crackdown on its pro-democracy movement, including prominent women leaders.) Zcomm » On Hillary Clinton, Sexism, and U.S. Foreign Policy6. Yeman. (Yemeni human rights activist Tawakkol Karman, who was awarded the 2011 Nobel Peace Prize for her leadership in the country’s pro-democracy movement, has spoken out against then-Secretary Clinton’s lack of support in the struggle against the U.S.-backed autocratic regime of Ali Abdullah Saleh) Zcomm » On Hillary Clinton, Sexism, and U.S. Foreign Policy7. Morocco. (A particularly egregious case of Hillary Clinton’s selective support for the rights of women is her strong support for the autocratic monarchy in Morocco. For example, in 2012 during the height of a local campaign to repeal an article of the Moroccan penal code that absolves a male rapist if he consents to marry his victim Clinton praised the Moroccan government for having protected and expanded women’s rights. Just weeks after Clinton commended the regime, Amina Filali a 16-year old Moroccan girl who’d been raped at the age of 15 and forced to marry her rapist, who subsequently battered and abused her burned herself to death.) Zcomm » On Hillary Clinton, Sexism, and U.S. Foreign Policy8. Afghanistan. Yeah, life for EVERYbody in Afghanistan improved dramatically under Secretary of State Clinton. 9. Libya. Supported the defeat of Gadaffi, chaos and spreading terrorism ruled afterwards10. Syria. Supports the defeat of Bashar al-Assad, with the likely result of chaos and spreading terrorism ruled afterwards (See Libya above)11. Gaza/Palestine. Hillary actually defended Israel murdering the peace flotilla from Turkey.12. United States military personal with ultra high suicide rates and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.

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Hillary's support for the Iraq war, her support for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and numerous Arab dictators, her poor record on human rights, and her indifference to international humanitarian law . . . Zcomm » On Hillary Clinton, Sexism, and U.S. Foreign Policy

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I am fine with what he said. Illegal immigrants are after all illegal and if any of them fit his description, any at all, which of course they do, his remarks are justified. And irrelevant. The point is that they are illegal and there is no justification to allow even one to stay for any reason at all, and since of course some of them ARE rapists and some of them ARE criminals and some of them ARE drug smugglers why should anyone justify any of it? Simply by crossing the border illegally they are all criminals anyway. Or would be except for PC which just LOVES criminals as long as they are of another race or culture. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Did Donald Trump specify illegal aliens crossing any border or just the US Southern border. Why did he specifically limit his bullshit to those crossing the Southern Border?

Do you want to know the real reason republicans want to build a wall, because in essence tewall will be cheap but it will be a government contract so the bill will be inflated like hell enough money for everyone arround. except the tax payers of course.Thy are just gonna build tunnels like they do in gaza it will be even harder to catch them on the border.

Once the personal attacks start I stop reading.Good day, Sir.

They should stop your typing, too...

Well, what he said was that Trump's views are not Christian, implying that there's something Christian about supporting illegal activity.

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What Trump said was pretty mild:

the pontiff didn’t fully comprehend the immigration challenges between the U.S. and Mexico.

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So I think the pope is a very political person and I think that he doesn’t understand the problems our country has, Trump said.

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Trump added he didn’t think the pope understands the danger of the open border we have with Mexico.

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He added, And I think Mexico got him to do it because Mexico wants to keep the border just the way it is because they’re making a fortune and we’re losing.

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I think he's wrong. I think the Pope has a major stake in keeping our border open, whatever Mexico wants. Trump just doesn't want to be too critical of the Pope or doesn't know the truth of the matter.

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Trump may have his faults but most of his instincts are right on even if he's pulling his punches on this, and I rather doubt any of the other Republican candidates would have the boldness and the honesty to call out the Pope at all, and he should be called out for imposing his religious views on our sovereign nation. Of course as Antichrist he believes he has the right to rule all the nations of the world. Catholics need to wake up and leave that excuse for a church.

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Actually it's the Pope who isn't Christian, he's the major candidate for Antichrist, according to the Protestant Reformers. But he does bring out the unlovely fact that it's the Roman Antichrist Church that has done the most to further the illegal immigration across our southern border, by inciting them in their homeland to cross the border and by providing sanctuary after they've crossed it. I wonder if that could be because the vast majority of those crossing the southern border are Catholics?

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I have to admit to being very surprised to read this. I completely misjudged you.

I apologize if what I said came off as ad hominem. You guys keep failing to understand what I'm trying to say.I don't doubt that Bernie will most likely beat Hillary in the primaries. In fact, it's really looking like he probably will beat her in the primaries.What I'm saying is we on the left shouldn't push for someone so far to the left like that. The primaries aren't the main storyline here. We should be worried about the general election, not the primaries.Can we all agree that moderates always rule the day in the general election? If so, why do you think it's a good idea to push for someone so far to the left?

You basically just said he is morally blind. Suppose he never experienced whatever the hell that supposedly changed him (which I still doubt)?That's the problem with people who are morally blind. It's pretty much a toss up who they will hate today and who they will hate tomorrow.

Trump would not only re-institute water-boarding but is in favour of more drastic torture. Just wondering how you tell the good guys from the bad guys. Isn't this the sort of thing that we are supposed to be standing against?It certainly flies in the face of everything that Christ lived and taught. Maybe the Pope has a point. Trump says ‘torture works,’ backs waterboarding and much worse

I may disagree with him about waterboarding but I don't know since I haven't spent any time on the subject. Is it OK with you if I think a person may get most things right but not all and still be "a good guy" whatever that is? For that matter if I studied the subject and concluded that waterboarding is necessary, could that automatically make me a "bad guy?" I suspect it would in the context of EvC.The Pope could always reinstitute the rack and the thumb screw and the iron maiden of course.Oh, and when the question came up earlier I said I think Trump is a good example of a Cultural Christian though he's clearly not born again. I mentioned how he was the only one of the candidates at a recent debate who didn't just go on past Ben Carson who was stranded in the hallway onto the stage because although he'd been given a position in the lineup his name wasn't called. Trump waited with him, and it seemed like a normal spontaneous thing for him to do, showing a kind spirit. I thought it said something very positive about his character.ABE: I went to You Tube to find that incident and now see that his name WAS called, but he didn't hear it, and neither had I heard it when I first saw the debate. The first name was called loud and clear, Christie I think, but Carson's name wasn't loud enough to hear. It doesn't change what I think of Donald Trump's action though. Standing with Carson was the kind thing to do.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Certainly I don't have to agree with everything that someone stands for, but some things are deal breakers. For me the supporting the use of torture is a deal breaker. I would not support anyone of any party who would advocate such a policy.Yes, I agree that probably waterboarding or other forms of torture work but that doesn't make it right. There is often a cost to doing the right thing. Do we not stand for anything but looking out for ourselves at all cost? If we lower ourselves to their tactics of fear and retribution then we have lost before we've even begun. As I have said before, if we fight evil with evil then we know evil is going to win out in the end.