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Theodoric
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Message 931 of 1639 (778602)
02-22-2016 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 930 by ringo
02-22-2016 11:00 AM


Re: Topic Reminder
and hate

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 932 of 1639 (778603)
02-22-2016 11:02 AM
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02-22-2016 7:23 AM


Re: Topic Reminder
A few possible discussion subtopics:
Why is Trump so appealing?
You spelled it wrong.

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NoNukes
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Message 933 of 1639 (778610)
02-22-2016 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 925 by Faith
02-22-2016 10:38 AM


Re: What would Jesus do?
he is bold about national security, which is one issue that interests us.
That boldness is expressed in extreme measures such as murdering prisoners of war or making outlandish statements about illegal immigrants etc. Yeah, the tone is bold, but the message is in many cases horrifying. There are far easier and more fitting explanations none of which require us to ignore any hateful content in Trump's statements. I wonder which of those possible explanations are correct.
The Mosaic Law is still in force you know, for people who do not put their trust in Christ
So you believe that means it is okay for you to apply Mosaic law to others, as long as you are exempt? That's pretty bizarre.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Faith 
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Message 934 of 1639 (778611)
02-22-2016 12:00 PM


The reason Trump is popular is that he speaks boldly to issues that matter to his followers. Of course everyone here can't resist telling us why they shouldn't matter, with all the usual Marxist PC slander, but the reason why he is popular is still the reason why he is popular and that hasn't changed no matter what perfidy the left tars him with. While of course ignoring the outright criminality and evil doings of their own candidates.

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Message 935 of 1639 (778613)
02-22-2016 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 933 by NoNukes
02-22-2016 11:51 AM


Galloping PC, it just never stops
So you believe that means it is okay for you to apply Mosaic law to others, as long as you are exempt? That's pretty bizarre.
It never ceases to amaze me how leftists always turn a simple innocent factual statement into an accusation of some sort of moral failure, which is of course the whole point of PC. That is where the old civilized virtues went, the respect for your opponent's opinion, the grace toward others of different persuasions, the benefit of the doubt and all that, into the great damned and damning maw of Political Correctness.
The Mosaic Law runs the entire universe. I can't help that. Nobody is exempt from it, and believers are also not exempt from it in this world, as I well know. But as far as salvation from eternal damnation goes believers are freed from its condemnation by the blood of Christ -- and anyone who wants to join the club is welcome, contrary to your snide insinuation that I'm claiming some supposed privileged position. Obviously we're not freed from the venom-dripping hate-filled condemnation of the left of course.
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NoNukes
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Message 936 of 1639 (778614)
02-22-2016 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 935 by Faith
02-22-2016 12:08 PM


Re: Galloping PC, it just never stops
The Mosaic Law runs the entire universe. I can't help that. Nobody is exempt from it, and believers are also not exempt from it in this world, as I well know
And yet you claimed not to be under Mosaic law. Surely you see the confusion.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Faith 
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Message 937 of 1639 (778616)
02-22-2016 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 936 by NoNukes
02-22-2016 12:11 PM


Re: Galloping PC, it just never stops
If you just stopped and counted to ten and maybe prayed for a gracious frame of mind, perhaps you wouldn't jump on every little thing I say.

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NoNukes
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Message 938 of 1639 (778617)
02-22-2016 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 934 by Faith
02-22-2016 12:00 PM


Of course everyone here can't resist telling us why they shouldn't matter,
Actually, nobody has made that argument. Instead the question has been why most of what he says does not seem to matter. Apparently the only way for you to address that matter is to tell me that complaining about stories regarding murdering POWs is 'PC'.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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ooh-child
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Message 939 of 1639 (778618)
02-22-2016 12:21 PM
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02-22-2016 7:23 AM


Re: Topic Reminder
Why is Trump so appealing?
I think the Trumpeters are seeing in him whatever they want to see - I don't think the right-wing bubble media has drilled down enough, yet, to open their eyes to his double-talk.
I heard a bit on the radio this morning, a call-in talk show out of LA that features two right-wingers & a token liberal. A 75 yr. old man called in, a self proclaimed Republican, who talked up Trump. The two conservatives then laid into this poor old guy, spending several minutes vetting Trump to him with facts. I don't think that's a good way to persuade these Trump voters, hammering on them 'Gish-gallop" fashion.
I remember the big talking point about Obama, during both of his election cycles, was the media's unwillingness to vet him. The conservative buzz was, his supporters don't know the 'real' Obama. If they did, they wouldn't vote for him. I think that's what the conservatives/establishment against Trump need to do now.

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14174dm
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Message 940 of 1639 (778620)
02-22-2016 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 934 by Faith
02-22-2016 12:00 PM


IMHO - Trump is very much the politician like the rest of the candidates right and left. He's just better at manipulating the media and he's more fun for the media to cover. It comes down to entertainment and news ratings rather than substance.
One of the reasons Trump is popular is his salesmanship. He tells people what they want to hear, especially if it's simplistic and goes along with their pre-conceived ideas. No challenging them. Unfortunately for us, unlike a business deal that comes with a contract, we have to trust politicians that they will keep their side of a bargain.
Waterboarding & other tortures - it seems a quick solution that punishes those you pre-determine to be guilty. That experts tell you it doesn't work is beside the point. Push the contrived and very rare situation of the immediate threat straight out of the movies and television. Despite what you see on television, intelligence agencies want the long term information about the whole organization, especially the money trail. For that, the agencies need cooperation not panic based lies.
Border fence - An idea that the average American can picture so it seems right. The fact that it will cost billions and take years is skimmed over. With people overstaying tourist, education and other visas being half the illegal problem, it's not enough of a solution. I think a faster and more efficient method would be to crack down on businesses but that would be not be PC for the Republican base. The PC stance is that the problem with illegal immigration is the government not corporate greed.
Chasing people out of your meetings without coats - If they are disruptive, calm professional security escorts them out. Taking coats is THEFT. Throwing people into the winter without coats is at a minimum bad manners. I'm middle class, middle aged and Middle West (you would think Republican base) and I'm appalled that such behavior is cheered.

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NoNukes
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Message 941 of 1639 (778621)
02-22-2016 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 937 by Faith
02-22-2016 12:13 PM


Re: Galloping PC, it just never stops
f you just stopped and counted to ten and maybe prayed for a gracious frame of mind, perhaps you wouldn't jump on every little thing I say
Perhaps if you were not simply digging for an explanation, you would not have to change what you say every time you are challenged.
Here is what you've said on the matter of Mosaic law:
Faith writes:
I don't get what you are saying here. Yes I am no longer under the Mosaic Law because Jesus paid for my sins against it.
Faith writes:
The Mosaic Law is still in force you know, for people who do not put their trust in Christ.
NoNukes writes:
So you believe that means it is okay for you to apply Mosaic law to others, as long as you are exempt? That's pretty bizarre
Faith writes:
I can't help that. Nobody is exempt from it, and believers are also not exempt from it in this world, as I well know.
You switched up on what you said only after I pointed out the inconsistency with your Trump related answer.
Maybe try counting to 100 before you post?
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 942 of 1639 (778622)
02-22-2016 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 939 by ooh-child
02-22-2016 12:21 PM


Re: Topic Reminder
I don't think the right-wing bubble media has drilled down enough, yet, to open their eyes to his double-talk.
At this point, I wonder if the drilling down matters.
The two conservatives then laid into this poor old guy, spending several minutes vetting Trump to him with facts. I don't think that's a good way to persuade these Trump voters, hammering on them 'Gish-gallop" fashion.
This seems to suggest that drilling down is a bad tactic.
The conservative buzz was, his supporters don't know the 'real' Obama.
Pretty amusing take regarding a man that had been in office 4 years. The buzz could not possibly have been correct. I don't think there has been any lack of exposure on who and what Trump is, and his fellow candidates have had every opportunity to point out Trumps flaws. A huge chunk of the country either does not care or has other concerns.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Modulous
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Message 943 of 1639 (778625)
02-22-2016 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 892 by Faith
02-21-2016 12:36 PM


Re: More brain-dead leftist moral equivalence
If Obama made Christian cake shop owners bake cakes for gay weddings and this is terrible in your eyes.
What IS the matter with you people? Christians won't do it, and they aren't being executed as enemies of the state. They wouldn't do it even then because they won't dishonor God. You can't scare them. They'll die praying for you.
Yes, it's terrible in your eyes - exactly as I said.
If Obama makes Christian pharmacists sell the morning after pill, and this is awful.
But of course it is.
Great.
Can you imagine why forcing Jews to cook bacon is a problem?
Forcing law-abiding Jewish citizens to do so would be a problem, but any such treatment of enemies shouldn't be.
So it's morally OK, in your mind, to put Jews into forced labour camps where they are obligated at gun point to fry bacon for the people who created the labour camps...if the Jews in question had been determined to be 'enemies of the state'?
What if ISIS treated it's captives this way? You'd be OK with it?
Can you think of any reason why ANYBODY would dip bullets in pigs blood? I can't think of a motivation other than malice and hatred. Is malice and hatred of your enemies a Christian thing?

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JonF
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Message 944 of 1639 (778626)
02-22-2016 2:01 PM


Cruz campaign quielly admits attending Swanson's conference was a mistake
Ted Cruz uses faith freely on campaign trail
quote:
Tyler, the Cruz spokesman, called Swanson’s comments reprehensible and said Cruz has spoken out repeatedly against anyone who calls for hatred or violence against homosexuals.
Senator Cruz is passionate about religious liberties Tyler said in an email. Many respected organizations were sponsoring [the conference], but, given these offensive comments, it was a mistake for Senator Cruz to appear at the event.

  
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Message 945 of 1639 (778627)
02-22-2016 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 935 by Faith
02-22-2016 12:08 PM


Re: Galloping PC, it just never stops
The Mosaic Law runs the entire universe.
The Tralfamadorians disagree.
As do 400 trillion other societies, not even counting a couple of thousand on this planet.

"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken

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