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NoNukes
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Message 961 of 1639 (778650)
02-23-2016 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 960 by Faith
02-22-2016 11:40 PM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
h well, nothing lasts. I fought not to accept all the accusatons here but finally gave in. Now it turns out I was wrong to give in, at least on the story of the pigs blood. Whatever may or may not be true about the story, they weren't POWs that were executed.
You've missed the entire point. Almost certainly the entire story was bogus and the event described never happened. And even if it did happen, Trump held no part in it. Most of us knew that.
The problem is that the story was told as an example of something we should do. And in Trump's story the commander executed captured prisoners as a warning to the place the prisoners were from. So it is Trump's story as he told the story, and not some other version, which likely is also bogus because in all likelihood the whole thing was fabricated, that is at issue here. I'll also point out that Trump himself announced the story as being horrible. So, no he did not tell the story as you claim he did.
Trump's words were reported accurately here and it is those words that draw criticism. Finally, did you even check to see whether the purported story you are citing was correct? And why put pigs blood on graves anyway? Forget the religious point. Why even do that?
As for what you saw on the other website, I am not defending it. Heck it isn't any thing I'd ever heard of before you brought it up. I would certainly be suspicious of a sign explicitly saying 'Make racism great again'. Seems likely to be a plant. However I've seen a picture of a Republican presidential candidate holding up a sign calling Barrack 'Osama' and then claiming not to know what the sign said. I would be equally suspicious of that explanation.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 962 of 1639 (778651)
02-23-2016 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 960 by Faith
02-22-2016 11:40 PM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
Humor & Whimsy
quote:
"I never found any indication that it was true in extensive research on his Moro experiences," Vandiver wrote. "This kind of thing would have run completely against his character."
Similarly, I've been unable to find any evidence corroborating the more general claim that Muslims believe that "eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be instantly barred from paradise and doomed to hell." It is true that Islamic dietary restrictions, like those of Judaism, forbid the eating or handling of pork because pigs are considered unclean. But according to Raeed Tayeh of the American Muslim Association in North America, the notion that a Muslim would be denied entrance to heaven for touching a pig is "ridiculous." A statement from the Anti-Defamation League characterizes the claim as an "offensive caricature of Muslim beliefs."
Lastly, it is erroneously claimed that John J. Pershing was born near Laclede, Mississippi. He was actually born near Laclede, Missouri.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 963 of 1639 (778653)
02-23-2016 1:28 AM
Reply to: Message 960 by Faith
02-22-2016 11:40 PM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
Faith writes:
Sorry anglagard, guess you should take down the Cheer.
I will not take down the cheer until you clearly state you support torture.
Ball is in your court.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 964 of 1639 (778655)
02-23-2016 2:13 AM
Reply to: Message 934 by Faith
02-22-2016 12:00 PM


The reason Trump is popular is that he speaks boldly to issues that matter to his followers. Of course everyone here can't resist telling us why they shouldn't matter, with all the usual Marxist PC slander, but the reason why he is popular is still the reason why he is popular and that hasn't changed no matter what perfidy the left tars him with. While of course ignoring the outright criminality and evil doings of their own candidates.
I'm nowhere near a "Marxist" and I don't like Trump either. And something you seem to be forgetting... The overwhelming majority of the Republican base can't stand this guy either. Perhaps he is gaining traction on the ground, but the Republican party itself has no faith in this guy. So are Cruz or Rubio supporters being "Marxists" for disliking him on the same grounds that people have shared at EvC?
In the same breath that you say anyone criticizing Trump must be a PC Marxist, you likewise slander them as PC Marxists. Imagine that?!?!

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 965 of 1639 (778656)
02-23-2016 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 952 by Faith
02-22-2016 5:33 PM


Re: Nobody to vote for
Faith, in a perfect world who would you vote for? Bear in mind that no one is ahead in the polls and no one has dropped out of the race and that none of them at this point are deemed unelectable. Which candidate would you support? Huckabee?

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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JonF
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Message 966 of 1639 (778659)
02-23-2016 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 960 by Faith
02-22-2016 11:40 PM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
I vaguely remember hearing it was false years ago. Oh, gosh, look.
Black Jack Pershing vs. Muslim Terrorist (2003 and later)
Anger over pig's blood bullets poster (2005)
Apologies graciously accepted.
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Faith 
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From: Nevada, USA
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Message 967 of 1639 (778665)
02-23-2016 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 966 by JonF
02-23-2016 8:24 AM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
I believe I indicated that the truth of the story was in question. The point was only that it wasn't about POWs, because that's the only thing about it one should object to.

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Faith 
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Message 968 of 1639 (778666)
02-23-2016 10:46 AM
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02-23-2016 2:29 AM


Re: Nobody to vote for
A combo of Trump, Cruz and Rand Paul might do it, with a dollop of Ben Carson.
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Faith 
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Message 969 of 1639 (778667)
02-23-2016 10:49 AM
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02-23-2016 2:13 AM


the Republican party itself has no faith in this guy. So are Cruz or Rubio supporters being "Marxists" for disliking him on the same grounds that people have shared at EvC?
In the same breath that you say anyone criticizing Trump must be a PC Marxist, you likewise slander them as PC Marxists. Imagine that?!?!
Whut?
I don't think you tried to grasp what I'm saying about PC.
PC is the specific accusation of "racist," "xenophobic" "hate" tc, when the person has only opposed illegal immigration. It's a specific kind of slander invented by Cultural Marxists. Have Rubio or Cruz etc made that sort of accusation?
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Faith 
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Message 970 of 1639 (778669)
02-23-2016 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 961 by NoNukes
02-23-2016 12:36 AM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
I thought I said the truth of the story is in question. I could have said it more strongly, but all I cared about was that it wasn't about POWs, the murderers executed in the story were legally executed.

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vimesey
Member (Idle past 102 days)
Posts: 1398
From: Birmingham, England
Joined: 09-21-2011


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Message 971 of 1639 (778670)
02-23-2016 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 969 by Faith
02-23-2016 10:49 AM


PC is the specific accusation of "racist," "xenophobic" "hate" tc, when the person has only opposed illegal immigration.
But he didn't only oppose illegal immigration, did he ? He decided to accuse Mexicans of being rapists. That is a racist comment. The fact that he made it in a monologue about illegal immigration, does not prevent it being racist.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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frako
Member (Idle past 335 days)
Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
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Message 972 of 1639 (778671)
02-23-2016 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 970 by Faith
02-23-2016 10:59 AM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
So because they where not prisoners of war but just prisoners its ok to execute them without a trial?
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Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Faith 
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Message 973 of 1639 (778673)
02-23-2016 11:07 AM
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02-23-2016 11:04 AM


He commented that there were rapists among the illegal immigrants, but it's very PC of you to expand that to claim he said they were all rapists. There are LOTS of rapists among the Muslim refugees. The point is that you get criminals in the mix when you don't have control over who enters the country.

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Faith 
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Message 974 of 1639 (778674)
02-23-2016 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 972 by frako
02-23-2016 11:05 AM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
I gather that in some war situations, such as when you just witnessed the murder of a whole village by Muslims, such an execution is legal.

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frako
Member (Idle past 335 days)
Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
Joined: 09-04-2010


Message 975 of 1639 (778675)
02-23-2016 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 974 by Faith
02-23-2016 11:09 AM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
So in essence to fight monsters we have to be monsters too?

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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