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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Nope.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
That's what I quoted. Nobody bothered to read it?
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frako Member (Idle past 335 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
So if say a country, terrosit organization whatever does a gruesome responsible for the suffering of 500 000 children. they would be ripe for your kind of justice?
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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He commented that there were rapists among the illegal immigrants, but it's very PC of you to expand that to claim he said they were all rapists. You are well understating Trump's comment, and by now that's been pointed out so many times that your understatement appears deliberate.
quote: quote: Trumps admits that "some" illegal immigrants are good people he assumes. Trump later makes additional commits suggesting that the illegal immigrants are responsible for our rape problem. The fact is that illegal immigrants commit less crime and less rape by head then do the people already here. Addressing rape is not accomplished by stopping illegal immigration. The vast majority of immigrants want nothing more than a better life for them and theirs. Yes illegal immigration is illegal, but the illegality is not because what they do is evil, but because we've chosen to pass laws outlawing it. Heck, at one time helping runaway slaves was illegal. There is no such thing as an illegal person. An illegal immigrant is no more of an illegal person than is a thief. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You obviously mjsunderstood what I've said, or you are outright lying, though I won't say I believe you are, when you say I ever accepted your interpretation of the "rapists" remark. Sorry, you're wrong.
And what's with this "illegal persons" nonsense? Just another underhanded accusation I guess. I've never said anything other than "illegal immigrants."
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I thought I said the truth of the story is in question. I could have said it more strongly, but all I cared about was that it wasn't about POWs, the murderers executed in the story were legally executed. And you'd still be wrong. The story is supposed to have happened in 1911, but it is made up. It is told all kinds of ways. Trump did not include terrorists in his version. And even if they were terrorists, a summary execution is not how such things are handled except on the battle field. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
gather that in some war situations, such as when you just witnessed the murder of a whole village by Muslims, such an execution is legal. Really Faith? Under what law is that? Do you recall the Haditha massacre? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
That's what I quoted. Nobody bothered to read it? I gather that in some war situations, such as when you just witnessed the murder of a whole village by Muslims, such an execution is legal. I don't see any quote there. Nor do I see any justification anywhere in any of your messages over the past few days. Oh, and do you now acknowledge that the story was debunked long before Trump brought it up? Yeah, you never heard of that, but two people have now proved that it was debunked earlier.
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Aussie Member Posts: 275 From: FL USA Joined:
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If there is a conflict between the earthly government and the heavenly, you obey the heavenly. And there is a conflict between the law validating gay marriage and God's law that defines marriage as between a man and a woman, and identifies homosexual sex as sin worthy of death. 1) Yay! Now you understand what Sharia law means! You support your own version of Christian Sharia Law. This is a fact. 2) Do you really mean that homosexuality is worthy of the death sentence? I'm serious. Should we put gays to death? I suspect if you think not, you shouldn't say it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Seems nobody wants Christian law any more, Sharia sounds better to you.
In any case I believe whatever God says is worthy of death is worthy of death, and there are plenty of sins that describes, sins most of us have committed. Haven't we already discussed this? We don't put people to death for anything but murder any more.
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Genomicus Member (Idle past 1971 days) Posts: 852 Joined:
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Seems nobody wants Christian law any more... Yeah, who would want that?
Sharia sounds better to you. As you describe it, "Christian law" certainly doesn't sound any better than Sharia law.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Theo writes: Do you have anything better to do than troll? Yes, . . . to participate in this forum's thread. Perhaps you would like to join me . . .
Theo writes: Hillary Clinton is not a great choice, but she is a good choice. She can be the instrument of a lot of good change for the people of the United States and people around the world. We are encouraged to support our positions on this forum via evidence. So, while Hillary was Secretary of State, was there any actual evidence of her being an instrument of goodness? I repeatedly gave apparently incontestable evidence showing Hillary is a war criminal/ mass murderer. Now your turn. As Secretary of State for FOUR years, what good did Hillary accomplish for the people around the world? Be specific. To help get you started, I'll start you off with examples from these nations: 1. Iraq. Only a few other Democrats were criminal and sociopathic enough to ENTHUSIASTICALLY support Bush Jr in his illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq. A million innocent Iraqi deaths. 4500 american military deaths. Creation of ISIL. (The secular regime overthrown by [Hillary supported] U.S. forces was replaced by Islamist fundamentalists, and the ensuing sectarian civil war has produced horrific cases of sexual violence including not least the enslavement of women by extremist groups like the Islamic State.) Zcomm » Page not found 2. Lebanon (Clinton also backed Israel’s massive 2006 assault on Lebanon, as well as the 2009 and 2014 wars on the Gaza Strip, which killed many hundreds of female non-combatants.) Zcomm » Page not found 3. Honduras ({Hillary} supported the coup in Honduras, which resulted in a dramatic upsurge in violence against women, with prominent female peasant leaders, union organizers, and indigenous rights advocates among the victims) Your access to this site has been limited 4. Saudi Arabia (She’s called for closer strategic ties with Saudi Arabia, the most misogynist government on the planet.) Your access to this site has been limited by the site owner I ask again, while Hillary takes bribes/donations from Saudi Arabia for military weaponry, how many woman have been falsely executed by beheading? 5. Bahrain. (She supported Bahrain’s brutal crackdown on its pro-democracy movement, including prominent women leaders.) Your access to this site has been limited by the site owner 6. Yeman. (Yemeni human rights activist Tawakkol Karman, who was awarded the 2011 Nobel Peace Prize for her leadership in the country’s pro-democracy movement, has spoken out against then-Secretary Clinton’s lack of support in the struggle against the U.S.-backed autocratic regime of Ali Abdullah Saleh) Your access to this site has been limited by the site owner 7. Morocco. (A particularly egregious case of Hillary Clinton’s selective support for the rights of women is her strong support for the autocratic monarchy in Morocco. For example, in 2012 during the height of a local campaign to repeal an article of the Moroccan penal code that absolves a male rapist if he consents to marry his victim Clinton praised the Moroccan government for having protected and expanded women’s rights. Just weeks after Clinton commended the regime, Amina Filali a 16-year old Moroccan girl who’d been raped at the age of 15 and forced to marry her rapist, who subsequently battered and abused her burned herself to death.) Your access to this site has been limited by the site owner 8. Afghanistan. Yeah, life for EVERYbody in Afghanistan improved dramatically under Secretary of State Clinton. 9. Libya. Supported the defeat of Gadaffi, chaos and spreading terrorism ruled afterwards. 10. Syria. Supports the defeat of Bashar al-Assad, with the likely result of chaos and spreading terrorism ruled afterwards (See Libya above) 11. Israel/Gaza/Palestine. Hillary actually defended Israel murdering the peace flotilla from Turkey. 12. Egypt. Supported/defended dictator Mubarek until he was on the verge of being deposed. 13. United States military personal with ultra high suicide rates and Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Your turn Theo. Be specific. _____________________________________________________ Two war criminals embrace . . .
Edited by dronestar, : Added: Two war criminals embrace
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You obviously mjsunderstood what I've said, or you are outright lying, though I won't say I believe you are, when you say I ever accepted your interpretation of the "rapists" remark. Sorry, you're wrong. I didn't say you accepted my interpretation. What I am saying is that you continue to repeat your own BS interpretation despite being shown that yours does not match what Trump says. I note your corrections when people say that Trump said all immigrants were rapists, but you clearly over correct as Trumps own words show. Trump words indicate that most illegal immigrants commit crimes, rape, etc. and he simply assumes that some don't. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"Most?" You're an accuser like all the rest here. Not a shred of benefit of the doubt.,
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Hi Anglagard,
anglagard writes: I have seen a lot of deserved and severe criticism from Dronester about Hilary never seeing a war she doesn't like . . . Thanks Anglagard.
anglagard writes: . . . but none of Sanders for never seeing a war he does like -- did I miss something? Hmmm, I LOVE Sander's domestic policies, but I think you are not aware of Bernie's hawkish side. I believe Rand Paul and Jill Stein (Green Party http://www.jill2016.com/) are the only candidates supporting to vastly shrink the american military and its hegemony ways.
anglagard writes: I can't see voting for Clinton either but not because she is a socialist -- how could someone that indebted to Wall Street be considered a socialist? Same thing about Obama and his ties to Wall Street. I believe the rest of the world correctly sees Obama and Hillary as rightwing republicans. But for the corporate media's constant spin, we have people like Faith believng they are socialists.
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