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Aussie
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Message 991 of 1639 (778714)
02-23-2016 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 985 by Faith
02-23-2016 2:51 PM


Re: gay marriage
Sharia law is religious law. You want religious law...your personal favorite religious law... to supersede state and national law. You understand the appeal of Sharia law, just your version of it. You refuse Islamic Sharia law, and we refuse to recognize your proposed Christian Sharia law. Deal with it.
In any case I believe whatever God says is worthy of death is worthy of death
Stop back-peddling and own your words, Faith. Do you personally believe that homosexuals should be put to death or not? Even if they aren't executed...do you think they actually deserve it based on readings of your religious text?
I think this is interesting and important because people who think like you are the ones supporting Trump.

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Message 992 of 1639 (778715)
02-23-2016 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 989 by Faith
02-23-2016 3:48 PM


"Most?" You're an accuser like all the rest here. Not a shred of benefit of the doubt.
Oh gawd. You're not very competent at critical reading and verbal skills, it seems. Here's what Donald Trump said:
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
The implication here is at once obvious and straightforward.
(1) Mexico, according to Donald Trump, isn't "sending" their best. Instead, "they're rapists," he says.
(2) Some of them he assumes to be good people. He didn't even say that some of them are good people. No -- he assumes that some of them maybe, just maybe, are good people.
He said that despite a copious volume of evidence that undocumented immigrants commit less violent crimes than U.S. citizens. Despite the fact that most undocumented immigrants are very good people. They're not the "best" he says with self-righteous pomposity, though he -- of course -- never beat MIT's phenomenal AI team in an underwater robotics competition.
Why give a benefit of the doubt when Donald Trump has had every opportunity to further explain himself -- and only deepens his lies and propaganda?

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Message 993 of 1639 (778716)
02-23-2016 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 952 by Faith
02-22-2016 5:33 PM


Re: Nobody to vote for
Faith writes:
Good for Dronestar, the only one here facing down the Democrats.
Thanks Faith, but there's irony of you patting my back, I am putting down war-criminal Hillary for her ENTHUSIASTIC support of a criminal republican initiative which left a million dead innocent Iraqis and the spread of ISIL.

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Modulous
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Message 994 of 1639 (778718)
02-23-2016 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 981 by NoNukes
02-23-2016 12:54 PM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
Trump did not include terrorists in his version.
Yes he did, from Message 946, addressed to you:
Trump writes:
We are in now, the worst period of maybe ever...so now they look at me, "So Mr Trump, how do you feel about waterboarding?" like I'm going to say 'Oh it's a terrible thing...'...it's minimal minimal minimal torture....I said, "I feel great about it! {applause}I feel...I feel...great. I said, "I feel great"{Applause dies out}. Then I said, "we should go much much much further than waterboarding" {Applause}. I said "We have an enemy in the Middle East: ISIS and others that are chopping off people's heads and drowning people in steel cages...can you imagine these people sitting around at night, eating - whatever they're eating - and talking and they're talking about the United States about how they're worried about waterboarding and how it might be cruel...they must think we're the dumbest and weakest and the stupidest people on earth!" ON EARTH!
You know I read a story, a terrible story, but I'll tell you. Should I tell you? {Cheers} Earlier this century...last century, General Pershing...he was a rough man....and they had a terrorism problem. And there's this whole thing with swine....they don't like that. And they were having a tremendous problem with terrorism. You can read about this in the history books, not a lot of history books because they don't like teaching this. And General Pershing was a rough man. He sits on his horse and he's very austere/astute? like a ramrod, right. And the year was early 1900s. And this was a terrible problem: they were having terrorism problems, just like we do. And he caught 50 terrorists that did terrible damage and killed many people. And he took the 50 terrorists and he took 50 men and he dipped 50 bullets in pig's blood. You heard that, right? He took 50 bullets and he dipped them in pig's blood. And he had his men load his rifles and he lined up the 50 people and he shot 49 of those people. And the fiftieth person he said "You go back to your people and you tell them what happened." And for 25 years there wasn't a problem....so we better start getting tough and we better start...using our heads or we are not going to have a country. {applause}
*emphasis added*

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Dr Adequate
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Message 995 of 1639 (778726)
02-23-2016 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 994 by Modulous
02-23-2016 4:23 PM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
BTW, has anyone pointed out yet that Trump's story about Pershing is completely made up?

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Modulous
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Message 996 of 1639 (778727)
02-23-2016 7:53 PM
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02-23-2016 7:50 PM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
BTW, has anyone pointed out yet that Trump's story about Pershing is completely made up?
It has been acknowledged a few times. Most people aren't concerned with 'politician makes up story / rehashes a made up story to drive home a political point' but focussed more on the political point he was driving home. That's what separates the standard lying politicians from Trump.

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jar
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Message 997 of 1639 (778728)
02-23-2016 8:00 PM


even terrorists when caught deserve a fair trial.
Even if the people in the fable were said to be terrorists, once caught they deserve to be tried and if caught by the US, deserve to be tried in a US Court of Law. Captured terrorists should still not be summarily executed.
Now if the US really was a Nation committed to human rights and the rule of law we would close the embarrassment on the Cuban coast and bring the people said to be terrorists here to the US to finally be charged of a crime and then tried in a US court of law.
But so far some Congressmen seem to be opposed to the rule of law.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 998 of 1639 (778733)
02-23-2016 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 997 by jar
02-23-2016 8:00 PM


Re: even terrorists when caught deserve a fair trial.
All the opinion about this madeup incident is coming from current PC leftists who have an amazing inability to distinguish terrorists from innocents. It would be more convincing if we had some information about the legal matters involved from the time of Pershing.

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jar
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Message 999 of 1639 (778736)
02-23-2016 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 998 by Faith
02-23-2016 9:21 PM


Re: even terrorists when caught deserve a fair trial.
We have the very same situation today. There are people claimed to be terrorist being held by the US at Guantanamo Bay detention center. It's time for the US to actually charge them with a crime and bring them to the US to stand trial.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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JonF
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Message 1000 of 1639 (778737)
02-23-2016 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 995 by Dr Adequate
02-23-2016 7:50 PM


Re: Not POWs just terrorists
Yes. Faith blamed the interest in and debunking of the story on evil liberals. Another poster and I pointed out it had surfaced and been debunked shortly after 9/11 and thereafter. I haven't seen any response.

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Message 1001 of 1639 (778738)
02-23-2016 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 998 by Faith
02-23-2016 9:21 PM


Re: even terrorists when caught deserve a fair trial.
Yeah. Bet you could tell just by looking at them. And feel justified in executing them on the spot.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 1002 of 1639 (778739)
02-23-2016 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 998 by Faith
02-23-2016 9:21 PM


Re: even terrorists when caught deserve a fair trial.
All the opinion about this madeup incident is coming from current PC leftists who have an amazing inability to distinguish terrorists from innocents. It would be more convincing if we had some information about the legal matters involved from the time of Pershing
Then as now it was perfectly legal for Pershing to do imaginary things that he didn't actually do. The law is quite clear on the fact that there is no culpability for things that happen exclusively in Donald Trump's head.

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Message 1003 of 1639 (778740)
02-23-2016 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1002 by Dr Adequate
02-23-2016 10:06 PM


Re: even terrorists when caught deserve a fair trial.
Sad to keep discovering that leftists really do have some sort of mental problem that makes it impossible for them to follow the topic.
The fact that the story is probably fiction has been acknowledged by me I don't know how many times in this thread so far and yet you all keep talking as if that's what we're talking about. Well, I'm not and haven't been, except to try to stitch up the mental problem, which hasn't been working.
No, the subject is the heinous nature of executing Muslims caught in the act of mass murder -- THAT is what it would be interesting to know the legality of in Pershing's time, even if the story is fiction. Because that is Trump's supposed moral failing, fiction or not.
Perhaps if you all have a good vitamin-protein drink before you post on the subject again?

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jar
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Message 1004 of 1639 (778741)
02-23-2016 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1003 by Faith
02-23-2016 11:32 PM


Re: even terrorists when caught deserve a fair trial.
Trump was using it as an example of proper behavior and THAT is why he is and should be condemned.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 1005 of 1639 (778742)
02-23-2016 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1004 by jar
02-23-2016 11:34 PM


Re: even terrorists when caught deserve a fair trial.
Trump was using it as an example of proper behavior and THAT is why he is and should be condemned.
Gosh, jar, get a good night's sleep and have a heavy-duty vitamin drink and strong coffee when you get up before you try again.
The assessment of "proper behavior" on this thread has been given according to current leftist PC, as I said, which is what prompted me to wonder what the assessment of proper behavior might have been in Pershing's time. Fiction or not the question of proper behavior relates to his time and not ours. A couple dozen or more posts have been wasted on irrelevancies since then. But I'd still like to know the answer.
Make that a really bracing cup of coffee.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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