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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
From today's New York Times: From Vaccines to Creationism, Ben Carson’s Views Perplex Some:
On Creationism I believe the Bible. I do believe it is the word of God. I do believe he created heavens and earth. It says in Genesis 1, in the beginning God created heaven and earth. Period. We don’t know how long that period is before he started the rest of creation. It could be a minute. It could be a trillion years. We don’t know. I have never stated that I have an understanding of how old the earth is. That’s something that a lot of people will ascribe to me. Organisms, animals have the ability to adapt to their environment. But the evolutionists say that’s proof positive that evolution occurs. I say it is evidence of an intelligent God who gave his creatures the ability to adapt to its environment so he wouldn’t have to start over every 50 years. Interesting. He doesn't say they were 24-hour days. He won't agree there's evolution, but will agree that creatures can adapt to their environment. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I don't know why New Hampshire's presidential primary was left off Wikipedia's list, but we can vote in either primary. If you're already registered in the party you're voting for, then you just vote. If you're registered in the other party or as an independent then you register at the polls in the party whose candidates you want to choose among, and then you can vote. Then after the primaries you register back the way you were - they may do this for you automatically now.
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Dr. A's post was a side-handed swipe at libertarianism, not a reference to a specific candidate.
--Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
i wonder if the name Hitler has the same menacing ring to millennials as it does to those of us born in the wake of WWII. Is he just another in a list of common bogeymen from the past like Jack the Ripper and Al Capone, or do they understand that this man was truly evil on an unheard of scale.
I'm a WWII buff, and I recently began pondering the parallels of Trump's campaign for president with Hitler's rise to power. Both combine demagoguery and charisma with a populist's appeal. With Hitler's rise German democracy collapsed, and soon the lights began going out all over Europe. When it was over Europe lay in ruins and 60 million people were dead. Benito Mussolini, popularly known as Il Duce in his native Italy where he rose to power a decade before Hitler in Germany, was Hitler's partner in crime. A sort of poor man's Hitler in terms of barbarity and ruthlessness (he was a reluctant participant in Hitler's final solution), Trump recently tweeted a Mussolini quote, and a recent New York Times editorial chose Mussolini rather than Hitler for comparison. Trump's Il Duce Routine echoes many of my own troubled but nebulous thoughts, and states them much more clearly and succinctly. A few excerpts:
quote: Sidenote: No moderation has been necessary in this thread in a while, so I'm switching to a participant role. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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That so many evangelicals are backing Trump, a lying, cheating, womanizing, unChristian bully, has been widely remarked upon as an unfathomable mystery, but the reason is plain as can be: many evangelicals are no more Christian in their hearts than is Trump. We see it here all the time, where in discussion the people least sympathetic, compassionate, tolerant and Christian are invariably evangelicals.
So naturally I disagree with the reasoning of this New York Times editorialist in What Wouldn't Jesus Do?. He believes many evangelicals have placed earthly concerns above spiritual, but I doubt they had many spiritual concerns in the first place. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Oh, yes, very much.
I've been wanting to write about the parallels of Trump with Hitler for a few days now. Looking it up over the weekend I was surprised to see that I'm way late to the party. Type "hitler trump" into Google, you'll get stories and images. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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NoNukes writes: Not to pick on Faith, because she did not start this crap,... I *was* first to mention Hitler, but it was to express serious concerns about the similarities between Hitler's rise to power between the World Wars and Trump's campaign for the 2016 Republican nomination. The story is the same then and today: a dispirited and discouraged electorate seeks a return to former glories and finds refuge in the harangues of a self-serving, bullying demagogue with no conscience or compassion. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
ringo writes: I don't think Hitler "ordered" the murder of 6 million so much as he inspired it. It was over-enthusiastic underlings responding to his stupid rhetoric who did the dirty work. Did Hitler ever even visited a concentration camp? I suspect he would have been as appalled as you or I (though he probably would have just turned his back). Hitler knew. From Wikipedia:
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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ringo writes: I didn't say he didn't know. I said he didn't see. This came across as excusing Hitler of responsibility for the Holocaust:
ringo in Message 1145 writes: I don't think Hitler "ordered" the murder of 6 million so much as he inspired it. It was over-enthusiastic underlings responding to his stupid rhetoric who did the dirty work. Did Hitler ever even visited a concentration camp? I suspect he would have been as appalled as you or I (though he probably would have just turned his back). If I've misinterpreted your words then I apologize, but in case anyone else misinterpreted them similarly I do think it important to be very clear, especially for millennials and anyone unfamiliar with the facts of the Holocaust. Hitler did order the extermination of the Jews, and he wouldn't have been appalled at any part of it. Himmler ran the concentration camps and reported directly to Hitler. From Wikipedia:
quote: --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Since I first mentioned Hitler I guess I'll comment.
The parallels I see for Obama are with Jimmy Carter. The parallels I see for Trump are as a political campaigner, and so the comparisons are with the periods of Mussolini's and Hitler's rise to power. That would be to the Mussolini of the late 19-teens and early 1920's, and to the Hitler of the early 1930's. The parallels wouldn't be notable except that Trump's dictatorial tendencies are so obvious. Does anyone ever win an argument with Trump? His approach is to ignore facts, call those who disagree names, make unsupported claims and counter charges, then do as he pleases. He thrives on chaos. With each outrageous statement leaving the opposition (his fellow Republican candidates) in wonder, confusion and disarray, Trump just marches on toward the nomination. He's single-handedly brought the Republican debates down to a 6th grade playground level. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Grammar.
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Primaries are being held today in these states:
Also the Northern Marianas GOP caucuses are today, 9 delegates, likely all for Trump. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Just skimming the Newsweek article you mentioned (Exodus: Why Europe's Jews Are Fleeing Once Again), it does seem to indicate a significant role for Islam in Jews fleeing Europe, particularly France:
quote: Speaking generally to the thread, most persecution and prejudice isn't overtly visible but is just a thousand little cuts. One goes where the future is brightest, and Jews in Europe feel the future dimming. The allusion to WWII is no accident. In Germany Jewish hatred was fueled and encouraged by Nazism's harsh, ruthless and violent practices, but government is only one tool of prejudice. Just being in some group's gun sights diminishes one's human value. Living safe and sound someplace far from the problem we can say that Europeans have a moral obligation to stand united behind their fellow citizens who happen to be Jews, but if we were living in France with a Jewish family next door would we wish them gone to protect our own safety? --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: What is with this? It's truly totalitarianism -- only one opinion is allowed. I haven't done anything on this thread except try to present the truth as I know it, but somebody would like to censor it all and shut me up completely, ME, a complete nobody who just happens to be the only one at EvC with my point of view. I'm against the rush to judgment on Muslim immigrants, but some facts supporting some parts of your position are undeniable. The Newsweek article I cited in Message 1398 explains that Muslim violence, most notably Toulouse, have sparked a rise in anti-Semitism across France that is fueling Jewish emigration. It's not uncommon for expatriate communities to continue hostilities against ancient foes in their new neighborhoods. How does one know whether a peace-loving violence-hating Muslim immigrant would become violent if housed next door to Jews? One could be cautious and ban immigration of all Muslims, the reaction of many both here and abroad, but I still believe we must be driven by the lessons of World War II when the world turned a deaf ear to the plight of the Jews until it was too late. I wonder what the Jews in France are saying now about Muslim immigration. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Faith writes: The comparison with the Jews of WWII seems quite farfetched though,... ??? Jews trying to flee the Nazi threat were denied entry by countries all over the world. By way of example, the US admitted fewer than 100 Polish Jews in 1939 on the eve of the invasion of Poland by Germany and the USSR in September of that year, despite huge numbers of applications. Communication with Jews in western Poland under German control ended at that point, but even in Eastern Poland, controlled by the Soviet Union until June of 1941, very little emigration was possible. After Germany flooded across western Poland to invade the USSR, communication with those Jews also ceased. Most were never heard from again. US immigration policies in the years leading up to WWII were very tight, and even Polish Jews with family already in the US were usually denied entry. Most countries at the time made Jewish immigration very difficult. The difficulties emigration-hopeful Jews faced in those years seem very reminiscent of what we see today for Muslims trying to flee war torn Syria. --Percy
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Those seem highly spurious objections. Where transcendent principles are at stake, whatever makes you think that minor particulars make a difference? The mistake that was made in withholding concern, compassion and outreach for the Jews before and during WWII should not be repeated for other persecuted or endangered groups now, no matter who they are or where they are from.
--Percy
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