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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
How does someone bigger than you telling you what to do give your life meaning? Well, would you rather be like a battery hen, whose life has a purpose, or a hawk flying free on the wind with no-one to please but itself? Obviously the battery hen has a nobler destiny.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
That was a strange jumble of words. It conveys little except that you are angry at science, as usual.
Have you given up on the actual topic? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Yes, they could engage in an exhaustive dialogue, but most likely it will eventually reach a stalemate where it's simply one implacable opinion verses another implacable opinion. It would be like one man arguing that a Porsche is a better-looking car than a Ferrari verses another man who argues vice-versa - neither point of view can be proven correct. And do you maintain that this would go differently if there was a God who created humankind by fiat?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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If atheists are correct and there is no God or gods, then religious morality is man-made - therefore they are as just as valid as any other expression of human morality. The conclusion doesn't seem to follow. One man-made thing can in fact be better than another: a house, a sandwich, a medical diagnosis ... The doctrine of the flat earth is man-made (and usually religiously inspired) but we don't say that therefore it is just as valid as any other man-made opinion as to what shape the earth is.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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True meaning in life is attained by becoming one with the banana.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Evolutionists can not explain altruistic behaviour, as evolution states it is the survival of the fittest competition, and extinction to the losers who do not mutate every billion years. You are of course wrong.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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It is not enough to embrace the banana: you must welcome it inside you.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Your banana comments are pure foolishness, and sexual. Sexual? David, I don't know how you go about getting a banana inside you, but for most of us this is not a sexual act. See, I eat them. Are you by some chance sticking them up your arse?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Not to mention all the commands about self-denial, dying to self, loving your enemies, doing good to those who persecute you, doing the extra mile, making yourself a living sacrifice, loving your neighbor as yourself and so on But dwise1's point is that insofar as you're doing this for Christian reasons, you're doing this for selfish reasons, to suck up to God. As can be seen from the fact that if God told you to kill your enemies (as he does from time to time in the Bible) you would in principle do that instead. Or indeed if he told you to kill your friends and family. Abraham didn't get all famous by saying "No Lord, I won't kill my son just to please you, that wouldn't be altruistic".
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Then how can you believe in evolution which favours inequality and branching, and superior races and superior people rather than EQUALITY. But you remember how this is shit you made up?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
That's not an answer to the question you were asked, Dredge.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You make an excellent point: Things that are intelligently designed for a purpose can be assigned meaning. But that is not what I said, nor will you successfully deceive anyone by pretending that I did. I said that one man-made object can be better than another: do you admit it? --- (BTW, I should be interested to know what meaning you assign to a sandwich, and why you feel that your ability to do relates in some way to it being intelligently designed. But this has nothing to do with what I said.) Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
David, don't you find that you look fucking stupid preaching about morality when you yourself are such a filthy liar?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Well done, Dj; you have pointed out the existential absurdity of naturalistic evolution: A mindless process that relies on the rule of the jungle somehow produces human beings - who don't live by the law of the jungle; a mindless process in which equality has no place somehow produces human beings - who value equality. It's much like the existential absurdity of baking, in which a process that isn't a cake somehow produces a cake.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
You are of the opinion that genocide is immoral, but how can you prove that genocide is immoral? If you can't prove that genocide is immoral, then it's just your opinion verses the opinion of this God. If this is the case, it would still be the case if creationists were right about creationism.
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