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Tanypteryx
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Message 926 of 948 (844290)
11-27-2018 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 924 by creation
11-27-2018 5:03 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
You get that time must be equal all the way to stars to know distances...and even more?
I get that you have not presented any evidence that the Universe works differently here and at Supernova 1987A. We are still waiting.
creation writes:
Or you like to type words that you thought sounded smart?
Clearly you think they sound smart or you would not have mentioned it.
I note that you didn't answer my question from Message 919 that you were responding to:
Tanypteryx writes:
creation writes:
The volume of stupid papers does not matter to stars.
Have you ever read one?

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 933 of 948 (844375)
11-28-2018 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 929 by creation
11-28-2018 6:44 PM


Re: Precision movement
creation writes:
There is nothing about the precision movements that tells you how creation works. Nor is there anything in those movements that tell us it was not created.
How is this an answer to Message 925?
Tanypteryx writes:
creation writes:
Well, look at a clock. There may be little cogs going round...moving. If one does not know what one is looking at, it may appear as random movement.
It may appear random to you, but to me it looks like a synchronized sequence of movements.
There is nothing about clocks that tells us about how stars or the Universe works.
creation writes:
You are in no position to call the bible fiction.
And you are in no position to say it is not, but once again this has nothing to do with Supernova 1987A.
creation writes:
Science cannot say yay or nay, either way.
Many conclusions of science are in direct disagreement with many stories and details of stories in the bible, but nothing in the bible has anything to do with how Supernova 1987A falsifies a young Universe.
creation writes:
It mentions a fair bit about stars also.
But not one word about the physics and chemistry of stars. And not a single mention that the sun is a star. You would think that might be an important fact. The bible does not mention Supernova 1987A.
creation writes:
What stars will do suddenly in the near future for example...go out!
More fiction that has nothing to do with using Supernova 1987A to falsify a young Universe.
creation writes:
It mentions a star that guided some men to a specific house!
More fiction that has nothing to do with using Supernova 1987A to falsify a young Universe.
creation writes:
It associates stars with the spiritual, which is more than poor science can do! Etc.
Well, thank goodness! Science has never had the function of associating anything with imaginary fictional fantasies and that has nothing to do with using Supernova 1987A to falsify a young Universe.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 934 of 948 (844376)
11-28-2018 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 930 by creation
11-28-2018 6:48 PM


Re: Confusing
creation writes:
We see the light from that SN here.
Yep.
creation writes:
Whatever working it does is here.
I have no idea what this means.
creation writes:
How much time was involved getting here cannot be known by science! Not unless you prove time exists and exists the same there also, as it is here.
Likewise distances are not known. Any use of trigonometry has to use at least one line that is in unknown time and space! Whether we use the rings out there and draw lines to them, or whether we use a slice of time and space here and draw lines to a star!
Repeating fantasies does not make them true.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Tanypteryx
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Message 943 of 948 (844556)
12-01-2018 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 939 by creation
12-01-2018 2:21 PM


Re: Precision movement
creation writes:
Actually, what the bible does say about stars makes the things you say impossible!
So what? It was written by bronze age goat herders who thought the stars were holes in the sky. You live in the 21st century, it's time to face facts, nothing in the bible has anything to say about the subject of this thread: Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
creation writes:
The biggest factor about stars may be the spiritual components/connections!
You just keep getting sillier and sillier.
I notice that you have not in any way described any details about "The biggest factor about stars may be the spiritual components/connections."
creation writes:
Yet you look at the distant unknown universe and interpret it all missing the forest for the trees!
You are the only one who doesn't realize that many things are known about the distant Universe. You would not understand it anyway.
creation writes:
Sure, there are also physical components out there, but one cannot use only them to model the universe!
Well, you cannot. Meanwhile we will use everything that is known to model the Universe, including falsifying your universe using Supernova 1987A.
creation writes:
Also, as far as time goes, seeing that a star (in light here that we see from the star) has some hydrogen in it does not tell us what space and time there are like!!!
Oh good. Luckily, the light from the star does tell us a lot of different things, but you will never know what they are because you will never read any astronomy articles or books.
I'm just glad that you have no control over our acquisition of knowledge.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : spelling

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

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Message 945 of 948 (848556)
02-09-2019 12:05 PM


SOFIA Observations of Supernova 1987A Surprise Astronomers
SOFIA Observations of Supernova 1987A Surprise Astronomers
quote:
Dust particles form as dying red giant stars throw off material and become part of interstellar clouds of various sizes, densities and temperatures. This cosmic dust is then destroyed by supernova blast waves, which propagate through space at more than 6,000 miles per second (10,000 km/sec)!
quote:
Supernova 1987A has a distinctive set of rings that are part of a cavity created in an earlier, pre-explosion phase of the star’s evolution. The fast-expanding blast wave has passed through these ring structures. Astronomers thought that any dust particles in these rings would have been destroyed, but recent observations from SOFIA show emission consistent with a growing population of dust in the rings. The results indicate that dust particles can re-form or grow rapidly, even after the catastrophic damage caused during the passage of the blast wave, suggesting that although this might be the end of a chapter in the life cycle of dust, it does not appear to be the end of the story.
quote:
From ground-based telescopes on Earth, observing cosmic dust particles in the infrared is difficult ” or impossible ” due to strong absorption, primarily from water and carbon dioxide in the Earth’s atmosphere. By flying above most of the obscuring molecules, the airborne observatory SOFIA provides access to portions of the infrared spectrum not available from the ground. In particular, SOFIA’s Faint Object infraRed CAmera for the SOFIA Telescope (FORCAST) is a powerful instrument for understanding warm dust in particular.
Wonderful! We are still learning completely new things from Supernova 1987A.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq

  
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