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Topic: Falsifying a young Universe. (re: Supernova 1987A)
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2398 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 403 of 948 (797556)
01-23-2017 9:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 402 by creation
01-23-2017 9:28 PM
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Young earth?
If you're trying to work your way up to supporting a young earth belief, you have a long way to go. The idea of a young earth is strictly religious (and only a subset of our tens of thousands of religions believe in a young earth anyway). More importantly, there is no scientific backing for a young earth belief.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2398 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 408 of 948 (797561)
01-23-2017 10:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 407 by creation
01-23-2017 9:50 PM
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Re: Young earth?
Try to address the issue at hand rather than vent about things you don't like. Nice try. But it is not exactly a secret where you are coming from with your time argument. The young earth belief is dead on arrival, and has been ever since it was proposed (and that wasn't that long ago, either). It is strictly a religious belief without any scientific evidence behind it. You remind me of a poster on another website who assured us that the chances of evolution were 1^720 against.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2398 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 477 of 948 (797668)
01-25-2017 10:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 468 by creation
01-25-2017 9:35 AM
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Time
So, after this big windup, at what age do you place the Earth? 6,000-10,000 years? There has to be some point to all your postings.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2398 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 502 of 948 (797696)
01-25-2017 4:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 493 by creation
01-25-2017 3:42 PM
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Re: Time
If you miss the point of the importance of time in determining the standard cosmological model, not sure I can help you. I find it much more likely that you came to a young earth belief from religion and are doing your best to support it. Unfortunately, for you, all the evidence shows otherwise.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2398 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 514 of 948 (797711)
01-25-2017 11:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 511 by creation
01-25-2017 10:57 PM
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Re: Does time pass in other star systems.
...get down to reality. You're trying to sneak a young earth in through the back door. Perhaps it is you who should get down to reality. Check into the dating thread RAZD has linked and have at it. Let's see what you've got.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2398 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 518 of 948 (797715)
01-25-2017 11:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 517 by creation
01-25-2017 11:08 PM
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Supporting young earth
As I said, I am familiar with all your arguments, and can destroy them out of hand in short order any time. Not even concerned with that. You seem obsessed with a hatred of 'creationists'. Is that part of being fair minded? You are clearly supporting a young earth. One of my specialties is radiocarbon dating, and we have other posters here who are experts in the field, as well as other aspects of radiometric dating. Bring your best stuff to the other thread and we'll see how quickly you can destroy the scientific consensus. As far as having an open mind, I don't have one so open that the wind blows through carrying any nonsense that happens by...
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2398 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 695 of 948 (827303)
01-22-2018 10:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 694 by creation
01-22-2018 9:37 AM
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Re: The Win-Win situation for Science
Actually, having time different here than where a star is does the opposite. And the evidence for this is zilch, while the evidence against this is both massive and unambiguous. You seem to have been taken over by some strange form of religious zealotry which blinds you to facts, reason, and logic. You shouldn't be posting in the Science Forums here.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity. Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.
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