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JonF
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Message 551 of 5796 (847480)
01-23-2019 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 550 by Faith
01-23-2019 1:04 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
They were not standing there minding their own business. They were taunting the lack Hebrew Israelites (who started the taunting) and the native American.
The situation is not as it was initially portrayed, but the kids are still assholes.

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JonF
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Message 554 of 5796 (847489)
01-23-2019 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 552 by Faith
01-23-2019 1:12 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
Their school chants, including tomahawk chops, were provocative and taunting.
But anything's OK as long as you're a Republican.
ABE I've seen lots of the videos. You pretend as if Mr. Sandman wasn't there. Have you seen the expression on the boy who was in his face?
Everyone knows the Black Hebrew Israelites are incorrigible assholes. The adult way to handle them is to ignore them or leave. The asshole way is to get down in the mud with them.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 556 of 5796 (847493)
01-23-2019 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 555 by Faith
01-23-2019 2:01 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
Tomahawk chops are an integral part of that racist chant.

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JonF
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Message 563 of 5796 (847505)
01-23-2019 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 557 by Faith
01-23-2019 2:11 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
That's unquestionably a smirk.
But it's nice to see you accept the tomahawk chops since I posted a video of them.
Chanting is not doing nothing. In that situation it's provocative and stupid, and asshole behavior. The chant, BTW, is extremely racist.
Tomahawk chop - Wikipedia

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JonF
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Message 564 of 5796 (847506)
01-23-2019 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 557 by Faith
01-23-2019 2:11 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
(duplicate)
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 567 of 5796 (847510)
01-23-2019 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 565 by Faith
01-23-2019 2:29 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
Message 556 clearly shows tomahawk chops during the racist chant. No matter what Sandmann does or does not say.
From Wikipedia:
quote:
Usage of the tomahawk chop has led to complaints that it made fun of Native American culture.[18] It also was criticized for being a reference to the former practice of scalping.[14] Shortly after the Atlanta Braves adopted it, there were a number of calls from Native Americans for Braves fans to stop doing the tomahawk chop.[10] Prior to the 1991 World Series a number of Native Americans protested against the Braves using the tomahawk chop outside the Metrodome. During the protests Clyde Bellecourt, national director of the American Indian Movement, suggested that the team could be called "the Atlanta Negroes, Atlanta Klansmen or Atlanta Nazis".[19] In 2009, the Gill-Montague Regional School Committee, a local school board in Massachusetts, banned the use of the gesture at school sporting events, calling it offensive and discriminatory.[20] In 2016, Native American groups asked the Kansas City Chiefs to stop doing the tomahawk chop.[21] In the same year a similar request was made of Exeter Chiefs.[22]
In politics, during the 2012 Senate election in Massachusetts, staffers of candidate Scott Brown were filmed doing the tomahawk chop at a campaign rally towards supporters of Elizabeth Warren, to mock Warren's claim of having Native American ancestry.[23]

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JonF
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Message 569 of 5796 (847516)
01-23-2019 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 566 by Faith
01-23-2019 2:30 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
The History of the Covington MAGA Teens’ Racist ‘Tomahawk Chop’
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quote:
Amidst all the ref-working, bad faith arguments, false equivalencies, and targeted attacks on reporters by the far right since videos showing a group of teens from Covington Catholic High School in Kentucky hooting, jeering, and mocking a Native American elder were made public, one piece of evidence can’t be hand-waved away or pettifogged until the truth is unrecognizable: the Tomahawk Chop.
In multiple videos, the studentssome of whom, prior to gathering at the Lincoln Memorial, were allegedly howling MAGA! at random female passers-bycan be seen engaging in the familiar chant, bringing their arm downward as if wielding a tomahawk while belting out a crude version of traditional Native American songs. Fans of the Atlanta Braves, Kansas City Chiefs, Florida State University, and numerous high schools with Native American mascots have been chopping away for decades. But make no mistake: The chant in and of itself is considered a slur by Native Americans and advocacy groups have plaintively asked sports teams to stop rubber-stamping this behavior since it first gained prominence.

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JonF
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Message 571 of 5796 (847518)
01-23-2019 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 568 by Faith
01-23-2019 2:37 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
No, I proved they were doing tomahawk chops and a racist chant. Nobody can prove their intent, including you, but the action was racist and provocative.
It's not crazy to accept the kids did what they did on camera.

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JonF
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Message 574 of 5796 (847528)
01-23-2019 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 572 by Faith
01-23-2019 2:52 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
So you don't dare look at the video I posted showing tomahawk chops.
You sure are afraid of catching a glimpse of reality.

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JonF
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Message 578 of 5796 (847542)
01-23-2019 3:41 PM
Reply to: Message 575 by Faith
01-23-2019 3:36 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
Yah, actual video means nothing in the face of a statement by someone with a strong vested interest, right.
No matter what they did or did not mean, the chant and chops were racist and degrading.
"You honor, I did mean to kill anybody when I blew up the stump."
"Well, that settles it. Case dismissed.!"
Doesn't work that way.

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JonF
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Message 581 of 5796 (847545)
01-23-2019 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 576 by Faith
01-23-2019 3:37 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
What extreme lies? I haven't Comey across any.

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JonF
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Message 584 of 5796 (847548)
01-23-2019 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 582 by Faith
01-23-2019 3:42 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
The native Americans acted like adults and ignore the provocation, trying to defuse the situation.
What lies?
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 585 of 5796 (847549)
01-23-2019 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 583 by Faith
01-23-2019 3:43 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
Again: a racist chant, tomahawk chops, and smirking uncomfortably close are not "doing nothing".
What lies? It's looking like the only lie is yours. Claiming he lied is meaningless.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 590 of 5796 (847558)
01-23-2019 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 588 by Faith
01-23-2019 4:05 PM


Re: Dangerous media smears of innocent boys
Edited by Admin, : Rerender message to use updated software to use https for YouTube.

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JonF
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Message 595 of 5796 (847568)
01-23-2019 5:43 PM


Josh Marshall nails it again. Nick Sandmann and the Poverty of Social Media Storms - TPM – Talking Points Memo:
quote:
Sandmann’s interview is of a piece with the statement he put out earlier in the week with the assistance (or probably actually written by) a GOP PR firm hired by his parents. Sandmann says he was simply trying to defuse the situation and wanted to listen to Phillips.
As someone who was once a high school boy, I can say with some confidence that that is utter bullshit. If you set aside the political and racial dynamics of the encounter, the crowd dynamics are quite clear. Sandmann isn’t trying to defuse the situation. He’s acting like a tough guy and signaling his disdain for Phillips and quite clearly playing to his classmates. He’s feeding off their hoops and hollers and vice versa. The smirk is partly the property of all young men. But in Sandmann’s case it’s also about the confidence of privilege and power in the face of the outlandishness of Phillip’s self-presentation.

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